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Ed Gunny's avatar

I have great admiration for Mr. Morley's dignified presentations of why there is disbelief regarding the Kennedy assassination. I am astounded at the background information he can off handedly present which is not always in the conspiracy arguments.

John F. Davies USMC ret's avatar

I myself have long known of Angleton's relationship with Mossad, as well as the conflict between President Kennedy and Ben Gurion over Israel's nuclear program. This subject has been long discussed among JFK researchers. Reading the correspondence between JFK and Ben Gurion, as well as his successor Levi Eshkohl, Kennedy's criticisms of Israel's nuclear program are quite explicit. His concern about proliferation greatly strained relations and grew into near confrontation between the two countries.

That said, I doubt very much that the Israeli government itself had anything to do with JFK's murder. If Israel had ANY role in the Kennedy assassination, it was more likely foreknowledge rather than active involvement. Israel had everything to lose in their nuclear program if Kennedy was re elected, and had everything to gain if the more militantly pro Israel Lyndon Johnson was in office. With the deep relationship between Angleton and Mossad, there exists the remote possibility of certain elements of Mossad gaining knowledge of plots against Kennedy's life. All that was needed then was for these individuals to simply do nothing and just let events take their course.

robert e williamson jr's avatar

I happen to agree with you ans have made my thoughts known here several times.

CIA knew the diversion was ongoing well before JFK's death. SEE Mattson's Stealing the Atomic Bomb, he says it was an inside job. SEE Israellobby Archives. Did Angleton know? Yes,I think so because it was his job to know. Did he have plausible deniability? Some continue to consider the CIA had the DOJ caveat of with holding anything with might violate the protection of sources and methods. JJA was head of the CIA's Israeli Desk.

NOTE: Israeli intelligence, somewhere someone knew, nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefingbook/nuclear-vault/2016-11-02/numec-affair-did-highly-enriched-uranium-us-aid-israels-nuclear-weapons-program#_edn5.

SEE: Note #5 at the end of the list of documents.

Some records are still classified as far as I know at the moment. Mattson's book was copyro9ghted 2016- BTW. End Note:

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Likely taking actions to prevent JFK & RFK from finding out. For the same reason you state, he just wanted to let events take their course. Those actions likely included some involvement with FBI.

The beauty here, if any exists , is the position the Israelis put themselves in or were allowed to achieve with respect to what their position would be after JFK was dead.

All JJA had to do was the same thing is the same thing - sources and methods would be his defense, why get involved. As it turned out who benefited the most. The Israelis got the "Super Bomb", the thermo -nuclear hydrogen "Super" as Teller called it, at a friggin fraction of what it cost the U.S. to develop.

It is not difficult to understand. All JJA ever had to do was keep abreast of events he had to know about! -Dulles, William King Harvey and Company would take care of the rest. These guys were not dummies. They got away with it until Trump tried to ingratiate himself with the public grandstanding to throw shade on Biden. OOPS!

BTW Jeff Morley I meant no disrespect calling attention to your reference to NUMEC supplying Portsmouth. It's a load to keep all this straight on the fly. Great program BTW

William Whitten's avatar

James Jesus Angleton CIA counter Intelligence chief was running Oswald who was himself an agent of Office of Naval Intelligence. After Oswald returned from his mission to the USSR, he was assigned to infiltrate Guy Bannister's organization in New Orleans. After Oswald blew Bannister's training camp near Lake Pontchartrain and the FBI raided the camp, shutting it down, Bannister's group including Clay Shaw, David Ferrie and anti-Castro Cubans. These people reacted by joining in on the military and CIA plans to take out Kennedy. Angleton chose his assets Ruth and Michael Paine to manipulate Oswald. Ruth Paine arranged for Lee to get the job at the Texas Book Depository Building...the rest is history.

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robert e williamson jr's avatar

I wish to take this opportunity to embellish this observation of mine.

Like it or not. The absence of comments here regarding John and Robert Kennedy's efforts to gain control of Zionists activities in the United States is a persistent notable void in the conversations surrounding the deaths of both men.

The focus of the story is still primarily on the fight against communism. Leaving us with the smear on both them of being soft on communism. An opinion of mine verified by facts!

Another white wash of the true story behind the deaths of both men.

My views on Israeli interests in their deaths are backed by clear records of especially John's views. His and Robert's actions leave very little to open speculation about their intentions, IMO.

I find this very concerning considering the events in Washington D.C. since 9-11 2001 and the failure of America after that date.

The solution to the problems of nuclear proliferation were and still are much more important to mankind than Zionist grudges exploiting the former situation of our country being an open and free society. We all must become very serious about addressing what happened to the two brothers and why. Now is the time. Smell the death in the air?

My point, this is no time to screw-up the investigation into these issues with a half-assed approach to addressing the topic at hand, the actual issues which really drove the coverup at the time and the real issues, resulting in the deaths of both men, in my opinion.

The result being we were and are still getting played by the conspirators. But only if the deception is allowed to continue. [Anything feeling familiar here?*]

No one here can truthfully claim the Kennedy brother's interests in stifling Zionist activities undermining the American Government were not justified. They saw, identified something bad for America and were working to stop it! The American Zionists Agency. Zionists beliefs definitely run counter to the interests of a open free society. IMO. This reality stares us each directly in the face currently!

Balancing the scale here is easy for me. Wearing the truth is easy, proofing it maybe very difficult. Lots of Dot's not all need be connected, just those which tell the truth! THKS TINK!

The Warren Commission investigation into the murder of JFK was the only avenue chosen to get to the factual truth of why and what happened at the time. An incomplete investigation. The investigation led away from the real truth and until now the ploy has worked. You have only to look to AIPAC and it's impact on American and the U.S. Government.

This investigation, the one being done here has brought the truth into the light.

The current relationship between Israel and the United States leads the U.S. back to why and how the United States of America has fallen so low as to be become involved in the Genocide in Gaza.

Totally reprehensible actions by everyone involved.

We all have an opportunity to write maybe the most important footnote to U.S. History to this point in time. {it might lead to another footnote to compliment the truth}

We cannot allow the Herculean efforts of so many here to completely miss and shield the public from the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

Focusing on who shot either of these two men may not be required to achieve learning the truth. It has led us to the truth and we have the responsibility to tell the truth! If we are to be successful in accomplishing the ultimate goal of placing blame with those responsible for allowing the assassination to happen.

The search for who shot who is the investigative path chosen by those charged with the task of exposing the crime, the path taken was 'ill chosen', a purposeful misdirection of the entire investigation by people who knew exactly how to do it.

So be it, that we learn who shot them is totally secondary to why they died. Something the authorities who led the coverup knew damned well.

Denying why this happened or leaving it covered up by fiction is not something anyone one of us can allow to happen.

We do so at the risk of losing our nation. Time is wasting away.

Josiah, 'Tink' Thompson I give great thanks to. Your 'granular approach', those words fortified me when I needed it most.

In memory of Hunter S. Thompson and my son Robert Thomas Williamson August 17, 1980-April 24, 2024,

Selah!

Thanks everybody especially to Mr. UDT Tink Thompson. Be safe.

Anti-war leftist's avatar

Another "notable void" is the failure of the MSM to take and report a poll of the American people about whether they support or oppose Trump starting a war with Iran. I haven't seen one such poll. Could it be because one particular foreign country which has a stranglehold on the American government doesn't want the result of such a poll broadcast?

robert e williamson jr's avatar

My rants were in no way directed at you , rather an attempt to get someone to read and think about what and wrote and why.

The country must get this right this time.

The problem is we have a government which has been compromised by unchecked political interventions to favor special interest above all else.

Israeli interests have been furthered by a Zionist backed, supported and organized lobby the Kennedy's were working to stop and they were allowed to be killed the national agency which in reality had it's own agenda in opposition.

Israel and their MOSSAD out played JJA America's super spy who never caught an enemy spy. They had him and the USAEC under MOSSAD's heavy hand on the sly. The result JJA and CIA had to stand down, do nothing and watch the show.

which many did.! They couldn't prevent it and the MOSSAD stood by and quietly observed the blood bath.

Dulles returns and he and George Joannides with help engineered a coverup.

Take under advisement the total amount in U.S. dollars Israel has received from the U.S. Government since 1947. Compare the amount with other government spending by the U.S. to fund the U.S. military support structure needed to fund their B.S. was and the Genocide thy seem so proud to have prosecuted against thousands of victims.

Now we learn for around the last 40 years the Israelis have been running a game on the world, most notably the U.S. of A. via J. Epstein. And the media are getting rich ignoring this history, while Trump & his cult bankrupt the country.

Th way I see it CIA is directly responsible for all the damage their agenda has wrought on the country. Damage due to rubber stamping Israel illegal pass for obtaining wealth from the U.S. illegally, providing unjustified access to the the U.S. Congress and being repeatedly allowed to break U.S. law with impunity.

This is their benefits from blackmailing CIA/. An act resulting n the deaths of JFK and RFK. Take a good look at Ken McCarthy's book.

Who pulled the trigger and shot JFK, starting this circle jerk is secondary to who benefited the most from the action. Pretty plain to see what and who JFK's death allowed the Israelis carte blanche U.S. Banks, Congress. and Courts and all it took was that lame sources and methods to effectively cover up the real damaging truth of why it really happened.

Anti-war leftist's avatar

Correction: only 21% of the American people support a war with Iran.

https://youtu.be/rJ6uJE61jy4?si=Vvdx1rg4TZQMdOcO

robert e williamson jr's avatar

The best of these post from 2 weeks ago is this one

"What a Strange Thing", Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse Demands the Truth on Minnesota , Trumps Administration Fraud.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpJ_UBokVUE

I seriously recommend you watch both.

robert e williamson jr's avatar

No one with a half-way functioning brain wants a war with Iran, the numbers do not lie as I see from your post.

I'd like to ask you a question. Have I made it plainly clear who I see as being at fault here? What

Question number two have you watched :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0HakaGwzTg ===. or go ===

Go utube and search Sen Sheldon Whitehouse - Trumps Fulton County Facade

If you have not watched this you must he has exposed TRUMP's machine for what it is worth. All major netowrks are avoiding talking about this because, I feel they want to try and protect the markets, hell they all are millionaires and billionaires. We all. have to hang in there and fight these MFers!

Anti-war leftist's avatar

Yes and yes. The Fulton County thing is indeed mysterious.

Anti-war leftist's avatar

The CIA has been assassinating foreign leaders almost from its inception, with or without the knowledge or approval of the president, acting upon its own agenda, beyond the control of the elected government, often funded by its own nefarious activities like international drug dealing. It operates independently of the government the Founders created. Truman created this monster, and there seems to be no way to stop it.

The view from 60,000 feet:

https://youtu.be/lDGYiQsbkkw?si=23R1JKJueLK1BBXw

Anti-war leftist's avatar

Of course, they have no problem killing American citizens who are a threat to their power as well. Start at 6:35 :

https://youtu.be/cAkOyOf6_Fg?si=L6dCv_ST98k3YP8v

Jay's avatar

JFK threatened Castro. A few months later, Castro threatened Kennedy. Two months later, Kennedy was dead.

Epaulet's avatar

Castro and Kennedy were doing detente before Kennedy was killed.

Jay's avatar

You are correct but at the same time RFK and presumably JFK were supporting a December 1963 invasion of Cuba by left-leaning exiles. JFK had threatened Castro with his Orange Bowl speech earlier in November 1963. Castro had threatened JFK in August or September 1963.

Epaulet's avatar

The Orange Bowl speech was way back in like 61 or at most 62.

Richard Turnbull, J.D.'s avatar

You need credible sources for RFK "supporting an invasion," and what were the invasion threats from JFK in the Orange Bowl speech, thanks!

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/index.htm

"Washington D.C. - On the 40th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and the eve of the broadcast of a new documentary film on Kennedy and Castro, the National Security Archive today posted an audio tape of the President and his national security advisor, McGeorge Bundy, discussing the possibility of a secret meeting in Havana with Castro. The tape, dated only seventeen days before Kennedy was shot in Dallas, records a briefing from Bundy on Castro's invitation to a U.S. official at the United Nations, William Attwood, to come to Havana for secret talks on improving relations with Washington. The tape captures President Kennedy's approval if official U.S. involvement could be plausibly denied.

The possibility of a meeting in Havana evolved from a shift in the President's thinking on the possibility of what declassified White House records called "an accommodation with Castro" in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Proposals from Bundy's office in the spring of 1963 called for pursuing "the sweet approach…enticing Castro over to us," as a potentially more successful policy than CIA covert efforts to overthrow his regime. Top Secret White House memos record Kennedy's position that "we should start thinking along more flexible lines" and that "the president, himself, is very interested in [the prospect for negotiations]." Castro, too, appeared interested. In a May 1963 ABC News special on Cuba, Castro told correspondent Lisa Howard that he considered a rapprochement with Washington "possible if the United States government wishes it. In that case," he said, "we would be agreed to seek and find a basis" for improved relations. " [More]

Jay's avatar

See Project AMLASH and Project AMWORLD. Regarding Project AMLASH, in a historic coincidence, a CIA officer delivered a poison pen to Cubela in Paris on November 22, 1963—at the very hour President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. This pen was going to be used to poison Castro.

William Whitten's avatar

President John F. Kennedy sent French journalist Jean Daniel to Cuba in late 1963 to act as a secret emissary to Fidel Castro, aiming to explore detente and ease tensions. Daniel met with Kennedy in Washington before traveling to Havana, where he delivered a message from JFK suggesting that improved relations were possible.

The Mission: Daniel met with Castro on November 19-20, 1963, to discuss bridging the gap between the US and Cuba.

The Reaction: Castro received this overture positively, interpreting it as a genuine attempt to establish communication.

The Interruption: The talks were interrupted on November 22, 1963, when Castro was informed of Kennedy's assassination, leading him to remark that the mission of peace was over.

Other Backchannels: Earlier in 1963, other unofficial communications, including efforts involving U.S. diplomat William Attwood, were also explored to open dialogue with Havana.

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robert e williamson jr's avatar

Explaining the reason for my comment below.

I think you might be interested. The book by Ken McCarthy and Rick Sterling has provided plenty of information to be accessed to back up the very obvious truth about AIPAC influence on the U.S. Congress.

The wheels of the machinery of the U.S. Congress )here after U.S.C ong. Turned to slow to keep up with the constant onslaught against USCong by special interests and AIPAC since before 1945 and the end of WWII. Don't know how old you are I'm 77 and pretty familiar with the history of the Atomic Age for the average guy.

The USCong was under tremendous pressure to adequately conduct the business of ending the war and moving on to a peacetime government.

The over whelming pressure came from the military, the security apparatus and the private business pressure to develop mechanisms and policies to facilitate the new scary source of energy - nuclear power which took a back seat to the weaponization of all possibilities. The hogs lined up at the trough.

By 1960 CIA was running amuck and bad things happened. For many similar reasons we face a very similar assault on the USCong and for plenty good reasons.

# Is the nationals security apparatus and the military at the time where, to put it bluntly losing their collective shit over nuclear security. The USCong did not fair well during this time because of "special interests" I do not have the time, space or patience to explain, other than stating and providing the titles of some very accurate historical books addressing "The New World 1939 - 1945". Anyone seeking a true understanding of the very important events of the era must read this volume to gain an incredible amount of info directly addressing the changes of a rapidly changing world landscape. There are many others. This charged my knowledge and curiosity. Curiosity driven by my profession.

The U.S. finds itself buried in a quandary currently of gargantuan proportions directly resulting from the failure of the USCong to successfully resist destructive policies backed by lobbyists.

If this condition is not address Now we area all dead meat. A proficient affective law making body must be free to act in the best interest of the nation. This comes before pleasing constituents or getting re-elected. From 1939 - 1959 the money to do otherwise was just to good to turn down. A story for another time. Nov. 22, 1963. The Zionists won big time.

Anti war leftist remember this, if you desire understand the Tsunami you must study that event, nt every wave in the Oceans.

I understand what happened to JFK and the 'why'. The Why is something, as it turns out here, which is vital to understanding the reasons we face the challenges we currently face in D.C.. It is all connected, such is the topic of history.

It is way past time to call a spade a spade. Theses events were propelled by the unbridled momentum of lust for greed and the power wealth delivers. Period. It was all about fear of being annihilated something the super wealthy had privileged information about. Insiders, the bankers and captain's of industry did line up at the troughs and received the super sweet ($$$$) slop!

The only way this story does not come out is if we all let it die on the vine such is the case with the topic here. William Fulbright was correct when he stated words to the effect the Congress has been taken over by foreign interest circa 1974, he and Paul Findley. No one seemed interested.

This was the direct result of Congress willing relinquishing their oversight responsibility addressing the conduct of the CIA in particular. (SEE: The Season of Inquiry Revisited - Lock Johnson.

They must be held to fulfilling their duty now. As we continue to learn facts this will only become clearer. There must be NO stopping now.

tobe berkovitz's avatar

Want an interesting take on Angleton, read "Orchids for Mother" by Aaron Latham.

Anti-war leftist's avatar

JFK threatened Israel. A few months later, he was dead.

https://youtu.be/rweBMPEAu8Q?si=1s7T_f03_of-VgTT

William Whitten's avatar

President John F. Kennedy sent French journalist Jean Daniel to Cuba in late 1963 to act as a secret emissary to Fidel Castro, aiming to explore detente and ease tensions. Daniel met with Kennedy in Washington before traveling to Havana, where he delivered a message from JFK suggesting that improved relations were possible.

The Mission: Daniel met with Castro on November 19-20, 1963, to discuss bridging the gap between the US and Cuba.

The Reaction: Castro received this overture positively, interpreting it as a genuine attempt to establish communication.

The Interruption: The talks were interrupted on November 22, 1963, when Castro was informed of Kennedy's assassination, leading him to remark that the mission of peace was over.

Other Backchannels: Earlier in 1963, other unofficial communications, including efforts involving U.S. diplomat William Attwood, were also explored to open dialogue with Havana.

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Rasmus Keldorff's avatar

This was a highly informing discussion, grateful that Jeff chose to engage with Matt's project.