Debates and dissenting views are important, sadly RFK Jr is a deeply flawed vehicle for change, though.
THIS*, for example, will come back to haunt him if by some miracle he manages to pose a viable threat to Biden's presumed nomination, and there's much more where that came from:
*Just Another RFK Jr. Lie. I Know, Because It’s About Me.
I edited Kennedy’s error-ridden piece on a vaccine-autism link, which Salon later retracted. We caved to the truth, not Big Pharma.
"I’ve been doing my best to ignore the farcical presidential candidacy of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. His noxious views on vaccines, the origin of AIDS, the alleged dangers of wi-fi and other forms of junk science deserve no wide hearing. Polls showing he’s favored by 20 percent of likely Democratic voters over President Biden are almost as laughable as Kennedy’s views. It’s early; he’s got iconic American name recognition; and there’s almost always an appetite, among Democrats anyway, for anybody but the incumbent. His lies have been thoroughly debunked by Judd Legum at Popular Info, Michael Scherer in The Washington Post, Naomi Klein in The Guardian, and Brandy Zadrozny on NBC News.
But I’ve come to believe I have a responsibility to write about Kennedy because of my own shameful role in sending his toxic vaccine views into public discourse: I was the Salon editor, in partnership with Rolling Stone, who 18 years ago published his mendacious, error-ridden piece on how thimerosal in childhood vaccines supposedly led to a rise in autism, and how public health officials covered it up. From the day “Deadly Immunity” went up on Salon.com, we were besieged by scientists and advocates showing how Kennedy had misunderstood, incorrectly cited, and perhaps even falsified data. Some of his sources turned out to be known crackpots."
Man oh man, I think you guys WILL realize this is just unavoidable and too much to overcome at some point, but - the sooner the better, that's my respectful dissenting view on what might indeed otherwise have been a worthwhile enterprise!
Wait - WHO exactly IS "Annette Bosworth," and why is this some You Tube video and not peer-reviewed results in a recognized medical journal?
What's much more likely - since you just ignored and did not try at all to bolster any of RFK Jr's crackpot distortions, of course! - is that Bosworth will be drummed out of the medical profession (if she even IS in that profession!) and lose her license by election day.
Also: SUMMARIZE AN ARGUMENT FROM THE LIKELY DERANGED VIDEO IN YOUR OWN WORDS, then we can refute it, thanks!
THIS we can maybe agree on, although the Trump cult and some of the wackiest of nescient gibberish RFK Jr and some of his compadres have spewed overlap, when it comes to COVID and defamatory lies about Dr. Fauci and Professor Peter Hotez, of course.
I read extreme carefully, WHY ISN'T THIS MATERIAL IN A PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?
Maybe the tip-off is calling her b.s. "The GREATEST CRIME IN THE HISTORY OF MEDICINE" is a clue?
And you people take it SERIOUSLY, it's incomprehensible ANYONE can not have alarms go off by claims that grandiose!
Your lame attempt at insulting me fails, AWL, you've done this sort of thing before, and it always does fail - and certainly as you post anonymously, while I use my real name, have mentioned repeatedly that I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota, etc., it's even more laughable, so thanks for that!
Could it be that she lost her medical license* and is just one more crackpot like RFK Jr. on these topics?
Either summarize her claims IN YOUR OWN WORDS - since I doubt you even understand them at all, truth be told - or give this up. I don't particularly want to "block you," but anti-vaxxers advocate, in effect, spreading deadly diseases DURING A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, including diseases that kill children, so have some self-respect (and self-awareness) and either put up or shut up about "Annette Bosworth," who used to be a medical doctor, or whatever she is.
DOH, so I have to explain the difference between the statements, really?
WHY did she not WAIT until it IS in a peer-reviewed journal?
The implication is this bogus "Greatest Crime in Medical History Bilge" video is to garner clicks and make $$$ for her, there may well BE no such (reputable, legit) medical journal that will go along with her silly hoax, genius!
Look, YOU need to share this "greatest crime in medical history" claim with people as silly and gullible as you seem to be, capiche?
If this Bosworth character really has anything remotely close to that, it will surface soon enough - but this b.s. has been going on since 2020! Wild, unhinged, preposterously distorted
"revelatory facts" about COVID vaccines.
You cannot summarize it because, of course, you have been DUPED by some nonsense and as it is incoherent, self-contradictory and or tendentious and self-refuting, of COURSE there's no way to "summarize it"!
It likely involves attributing outright criminal motives to people who manufactured or recommended the vaccines, and she will lucky if she isn't sued for defamation - for accusing someone of "the greatest crime" etc. etc.
Seriously, I can't comprehend you people anymore - the urge to fall for every hyperbolic conspiracy claim, it's just embarrassing for you.
RFK Jr has gotten plenty wrong. I take everything he says about Covid with a large grain of salt.
On balance, I find his views on Covid to be *immeasurably* more accurate and rational than those that were pushed by government authorities, medical journals, and the mainstream media during the height of the crisis.
You brought in on yourself, here ya go, THIS is the character you are gullible enough to trust, so don't be shrieking when it provokes mockery and a reference to the Dunning - Kruger effect - it's shows a deep insecurity and lack of self-respect, so sorry / not sorry:
" Facts First: Kennedy’s claims are false, debunked by his own words. He has promoted false claims about vaccines for years – and said in 2021 that he had personally urged strangers to refrain from vaccinating their babies. He encouraged others to do the same.
Kennedy’s anti-vaccine record has been extensively documented. He has long pushed the debunked claim that there is a link between childhood vaccinations and autism. Among other things, he has also misstated the contents of vaccines, falsely claimed there is convincing evidence that the 1918 influenza pandemic and HIV both originated with vaccine research, and repeatedly touted misinformation about Covid-19 vaccines. In 2021, for example, he baselessly claimed that there had been a wave of “suspicious” deaths among seniors who had taken these vaccines.
It would be more than fair to argue that Kennedy’s years of false claims about vaccines has been tantamount to Kennedy urging Americans to avoid vaccination. But such an argument is not even necessary; Kennedy has explicitly said that he has urged people to avoid vaccination.
NBC News senior reporter Brandy Zadrozny noted Thursday that when Kennedy was asked on the “Health Freedom for Humanity” podcast in 2021 how parents should respond to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention schedule of immunizations for children, which his questioner described as “insane,” he responded by encouraging people to join him in telling strangers not to vaccinate their babies.
“For many, many years, I think parents were so gaslighted, and they were scapegoated, and they were vilified and marginalized, so that even parents of kids who were very, very badly injured, knew what happened to their kid, but they were just reluctant to talk about it. And I think now those days are over,” Kennedy said.
“We – our job is to resist and to talk about it to everybody. If you’re walking down the street – and I do this now myself, which is, you know, I don’t want to do – I’m not a busybody. I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, ‘Better not get him vaccinated.’ And he heard that from me. If he hears it from 10 other people, maybe he won’t do it, you know, maybe he will save that child.”
And that's only one of literally thousands of credible sources refuting RFK Jr., there's also THIS, but maybe you admire him because of the content, who knows:
Racist COVID Claims Spread by RFK, Jr., and Other Demagogues Are Deadly
False claims about racial susceptibility to COVID by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and others are dangerous and reveal a widespread misunderstanding of our shared vulnerability to disease
I don't have time to help with the extensive education people like you require, since you seem recalcitrant to basic correction on the most simple scientific issues about vaccines - might as well try to educate a Flat Earther or a "9/11 Truther," it is clear enough once dug in to the dogmatic inflexibility, there you will remain, c'est la vie!
I'll let you add another silly insult - and avoid trying to deal with any specific claim, not dealing in globally vague generalities , that RFK Jr has made egregiously false enough for you to comprehend only gullible rubes actually believe he's any kind of credible source on vaccines, irrespective of how much it hurts your pride.
That's how some kinds of intellectual growth occur - a person unsuspectingly thinks they REALLY know enough about virology or infectious diseases, and the history of vaccines, to evaluate a bloviating pseudo-expert like RFK Jr.
^^^^^^ Here, you can cherry pick some vaccines that were wrongly formulated and claim that "proves" RFK Jr was right all along, too!
Or read it more carefully and realize it's a risk assessment problem, as usual - the risks of coming down with a serious, possibly deadly case of Covid were vastly lower in the vaccinated population, for example. Ditto with the spread of measles, but maybe a bunch of children will have to die NEEDLESSLY before the State of Florida fires their crackpot health commissioner, who knows.
People haven't seen what happens to a largely UN-vaccinated population with respect to measles, so they sometimes stupidly reason, "Why gets a Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine, hardly anyone has measles, it's incredibly rare!"
No, IN CONTEXT you still suggested he was credible, he's a FRAUD, as I point out in the other reply on here I just posted.
You trust him enough to state openly that you will "almost certainly vote for" RFK Jr., not for some relatively insignificant position where he can get the mental health therapy in his spare time he so clearly needs, but as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, an office which is arguably STLL "the most powerful elected office on earth."
Russell says Jean Souetre was definitely there in Dallas. I’ve tried looking into this multiple times and nothing I find establishes this. Where does this come from and is it actually something that can be described as a “definite”?
Yeah that is what I was looking for confirmation of in terms of sourcing. I’ve dug for it all but the only source I could find I tend to remember being unclear. But many repeat this claim so I am thinking I’m just missing something.
Very, very interesting interview. Dick Russell talked about the Four Shooters in Dealey Plaza. He repeated what was said in the Reiner podcast that there was no collaboration amongst the Shooters. This is really hard to believe. I wonder why he is so adamant about no collaboration. It was done with such precision. Surely they also had spotters, and getaway vehicles waiting. Russell also talked about General Charles Willoughby as being the chief architect of the Assassination. We get the same information as was presented in Reiner's podcast about him. I was disappointed Russell was not asked about the Sixth Floor Shooter. It was not Oswald according to the Reiner podcast. The Sixth Floor Shooter angle was also not discussed in any depth in Reiners podcast.
Interesting point, especially in light of Jeff Morley's directive from WaPo in 1996, mentioned in his Marina Oswald Porter piece ("We don't do JFK assassination stories. Anyone who does them will be banished from the kingdom").
I have subscribed to WaPo for 50 years. I remember when the HSCA published its report in 1979, declaring that two shooters fired on the president. Jeff was just a Yale undergrad at the time. WaPo published an editorial, suggesting that the two shooters were probably just two unrelated guys who just happened to pick Dealey Plaza at 12:30 pm for two separate unrelated attempts on JFK's life.
Old Chinese proverb: " there is no such thing as coincidence."
This is to prevent leaks from those among the group. A stock and trade method used be CIA and in other operations of "complete" secrecy. The technique is called "compartmentalization" It seems to have worked very well in this case. Not so much with the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb. Why? The number of individuals trusted by those heading up the effort, out of necessity I might ad, was very large. The project was riddled with spies, something the U.S. Government would rather not talk about for very obvious reasons.
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, you must remember paid the ultimate price, while others guilty of much lesser crimes walked away unmolested by those they worked in close concert with.
Teller was spying for Israel and they could not stop him because he was the number one fan of developing the "SUPER", the thermonuclear weapon. Oppenheimer knew this and we all see what happened to him. I have written about this incident before, if you want to look for those who were involved in the Shapiro theft of Special Nuclear Materials this would be the place to look first. Lewis L. Strauss and the bunch that blackball Robert Oppenheimer are the group to study first. The Grey Committee.
I owe not one dog damned thing to Teller and his ilk. A spy is a spy is a spy and he had James Jesus Angleton's number, who, it is very apparent to me was all in with providing Israel with what eve they desired. A spy is a spy, is a spy!
As I have and will continue to say this story is of a grand dynamic. How to terrorize and entire country by killing one man in public and covering it up.
Ask yourself a very valid question. Why no televised coverage of the JFK hit?
Now google that topic. They dog damned sure televised the hit on LHO didn't they.
Now for those who just cannot seem to grasp the situation here, you might want to go to the utube and view James Carville's recent rant in which he refers to the SCOTUS as the SCROTUS - James went "off-scale high" on this collection of "gravey sucking pigs" and for good reason. Don't watch you miss out!
James Carville Rips Scotus March 1, 2024 calls the court the SCROTUS great stuff.
Another terrific in-depth, informative interview with one of the original JFK researchers. Well done Jeff. The Angleton discussion was extraordinary, with Russell actually breaking bread with him a few times, and you who wrote the definitive book on Angleton.
Also, the book he wrote, The Man Who Knew Too Much, helped the public realize there was more to the story than what they were led to believe.
I fear his friendship and backing of RFK Jr. Is going to turn out problematic for Russell. Besides the dangerous bone headed vaccine theories, today RFK Jr. got on the 2024 Presidential ballots in Georgia and Arizona, which Biden won by a mere 10,000 plus votes in 2020.
Ralph Nader comes to mind. It's not going to end well. Richard Russell is riding on the wrong train and may be responsible for 4 more years of the orange Jesus. 🍊
Quinnipiac recently put out an interesting poll that showed that RFK Jr took many more votes from Nikki Haley than Trump. Basically RFK Jr's inclusion would swing an election from Haley to Biden, but would considerably narrow Biden's margin of victory over Trump.
Not sure what to make of the poll but Quinnipiac is a good pollster and their poll is consistently one where Kennedy does better.
Either way, I'm almost certainly voting for Kennedy.
So in the comment that just showed up in my inbox you "don't trust Kennedy," but you're "almost certainly voting for Kennedy." ???
Look Julian K., I have spent large segments of my waking life since my teens and participating in high school debate team tournaments, studying logic and argumentation, as an undergrad and in graduate school in philosophy (where taking Symbolic Logic is de rigeur and that's only the half of it, with respect to dissecting claims, suppositions, inferences, rationality, the nature of sound and unsound reasoning, the works, it after all IS `philosophy'! That's what we do!) and then in law school, and I have no idea what your thing is on here.
Too bad if I sounded "smug" and whatever other lame insult you came up with was, but here, now I ask you: WHY would ANYONE vote for this anti-scientific, dangerous spreader of potentially deadly policy recommendations about vaccinating children to protect them from measles, who made racist and dangerous recommendations about COVID and the measles? That's something that drew far more scorn in harsher tones than anything I have posted about your confusions, Julian! See THIS:
Racist COVID Claims Spread by RFK, Jr., and Other Demagogues Are Deadly
False claims about racial susceptibility to COVID by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and others are dangerous and reveal a widespread misunderstanding of our shared vulnerability to disease By Eleanor J. Murray & Monica H. Green
And in the Scientific American journal, mind you, not some bloviating gibberish on a Joe Rogan podcast or a hokey You Tube video with "doctors" who have zero credentials in virology or infectious disease expertise, exactly like RFK Jr. himself.
****** "Earlier this summer Kennedy touted a meeting with Ice Cube, a rapper who issued bizarre antisemitic tweets, and publicly defended musician Roger Waters, who was embroiled in controversy after donning a costume intended to evoke Nazi attire at a concert in Germany." ****
"The report says Kennedy has also repeatedly promoted and praised fringe online broadcaster James Corbett, a Sandy Hook and 9/11 conspiracy theorist who has claimed that “Hitler and the Nazis were 100% completely and utterly set up”.
Kennedy has often allied himself with the Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, who regularly unleashed tirades about alleged Jewish control of media and government. Kennedy met Farrakhan at his Chicago home in 2015, with Farrakhan later tweeting that they discussed “a vaccine that is designed to affect Black males”.
******* The Project details how Kennedy himself has frequently invoked Nazi Germany when pushing debunked theories about vaccines. He put out a video that showed the infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci with a moustache reminiscent of Adolf Hitler and used the word “holocaust” to describe children he believes were hurt by vaccines in 2015.
Last year, at a Washington rally organized by his group Children’s Health Defense, Kennedy complained that people’s rights were being violated by public health measures that had been taken to reduce the number of people sickened and killed by Covid-19. He said: “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could cross the Alps to Switzerland. You could hide in an attic like Anne Frank did.” He later apologised.
For years, the document says, Kennedy has targeted a particularly dangerous form of vaccine denial at Black people. In 2021 at the height of the Covid-19 vaccination campaign, he released Medical Racism, a film that promoted disproven claims about the dangers of vaccines and explicitly warned communities of color to be suspicious of “sinister” vaccination campaigns.
Several doctors and experts who participated in the film later denounced it and said they felt used and misled about the message of the documentary. Richard Allen Williams, founder of the Association of Black Cardiologists, called Children’s Health Defense “absolutely a racist operation” particularly dangerous to the Black community.
In 2017, as a measles outbreak devastated Minnesota’s Somali-American community due to low vaccination rates, Kennedy continued to push his false claims that “science and anecdotal evidence suggest that Africans and African Americans may be particularly vulnerable to vaccine injuries including autism”.
In a 2020 interview, Kennedy asserted without evidence that “People with African blood react differently to vaccines than people with Caucasian blood. They’re much more sensitive.” SOURCE:
is easily accessible online, this is just a tiny fragment of the material. This ain't rocket
surgery, Julian! So what gives? WHY support this relentless fraud, instead of Biden? Or even just sitting out the election altogether, or writing in some "protest vote candidate"?
Call me skeptical, but time will tell. Ralph Nader made similar comments as to why he wouldn't back out from running in 2000 and we ended up with Bush/Cheney, a 20 year war in Iraq, a bank implosion that almost collapsed our total banking system and the eventual birth of the insane tea party movement that has taken over the GOP today. A strong case can be made that had Gore won, he lost Florida by a mere 400+ votes, we wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq and we definitely would not have seen the deregulation that caused the great banking debacle of 2008. RFK Jr. is playing with fire.
Gore didn't lose the Florida vote. Gore's victory was stolen from him when the US Supreme Court in a partisan 5-4 decision stopped the recount. It was a judicial coup d'etat.
I’ve read the Supreme Court decision carefully and I think it was correct. I would say profoundly correct. The problem with the Florida vote has turned out to be much bigger than anyone thought. Election tampering on a massive scale goes back a long way.
Well, he did lose by some 400 votes, but your argument is off point, nonetheless. Had Nader not run, or pulled out of the race, the judicial coup d'etat would never have taken place. Without Nader in the race, Gore would have won the Presidency. There would have been no need for the Supreme's to weigh in. If ever the phrase, "Elections have consequences", had profound implications, it was that election. Hopefully we aren't looking back in 2025 with the same regrets.
Only because the Supreme Court stopped the vote counting.
You assume the Nader votes would have gone to Gore. The people who voted for Nader wouldn't have voted had he not been in the race. The people who will vote for RFK Jr will likely not vote for Trump or Biden if he's not on the ballot. They will vote for Jill Stein. Cornel West, the Libertarian Party candidate, some other third party candidate, or they will sit home.
Gore did not lose 2000 because of Nader. He was a neoliberal zombie of a candidate who could not even win his home state (Tennessee). You are assuming that all Nader's voters would have voted Gore, if he (Nader) was not in the race. There have been multiple studies that show that most Nader voters would have stayed home if they could not choose him. You also remember the famous "butterfly" ballots that caused many Gore voters to accidently vote for Pat Buchanan. You may also remember Florida Gov. Bush and Sec. State Katherine Harris knocking tens of thousands of black voters off the roles at the last minute. I suspect that many RFK Jr. voters would stay home or leave the ballot blank this year if not afforded the opportunity to vote for him. If we ever get to nationwide rank choice voting, we could permanently put this discussion to rest.
I forgot to mention all the registered Democrats in Florida who crossed over to vote Bush, and registered Republicans who voted Buchanan. Do we blame them for taking away votes from Gore and Bush, respectively? Bottom line-until we get nationwide rank-choice voting, all candidates have to earn their votes by persuading voters, not arrogantly assume they are owed anyone's vote.
For a neoliberal zombie, he didn't do too shabby. To quote Larry David, "he did pretty, pretty good".
I am not assuming all of Nader's voters would have voted for Gore whatsoever. I am assuming that humans are complex individuals who are unpredictable and quite the opposite of monolithic. Here are the actual voting numbers in Florida for you to digest: Total votes for Bush...2,912, 790. Gore...2,912,253. Nader....97,488.
I am suggesting that whatever percentages you want to use, some of the 97,488 Nader voters would have voted for Gore. If you disagree, end of argument. I'm not looking to convince you or anybody as to the complexity of the human mind. The outcome of the 2000 election clearly changed the course of history and could have been avoided. Same will be true if Biden loses in a close election. Don't think for a minute that RFK Jr. doesn't realize it. Not only his family has told him so, many politico's have said the same.
If RFK Jr. truly understood why his father and uncle were assassinated, he would not continue the path he is on. Both JFK and RFK believed in changing the system by being part of it and working from within to make meaningful change. The last thing they would have wanted to see was one of their sons acting as a 3rd party candidate to potentially swing the election to the GOP.
Your analysis really boils down to “GOP bad, Dems good”. You suggest that if only we were to re-elect Biden we could avoid senseless immoral wars that trample the best interests of the American people. You might want to check your assumptions. The political landscape is far more complex than you imagine. It is well served by a complex democratic process.
Come on Paul. So what are you saying? The election bearing down on us and time running out. Elect the orange turd? Seriously.
Dude it is much later than you and others might think. If the SCROTUS gives the orange Turd another chance at the golden ring, it is all over. The SCROTUS is rigged.
I have a great aversion to licking the boots of the Black and Tan bunch, thank you very much.
Ever hear the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?" Figure it out, the orange turd is the my enemy, maybe not so much yours, I'm clueless to your reasons, however, he is also the friend of my other enemies. You a big fan of Omerta are you? I'm very curious and a big fan of having a free country led by a representative government not an authoritarian state lead by a dictator.
You might be interested in what happens to countries that depend on fascism to maintain power. The state becomes totally unstable in the end, everyone ratting on the "other", to curry favor with the authorities so they can maintain some sort of sanctuary for themselves and their families.
So much "reporting on the other " takes place the system of reporting your neighbors becomes gridlocked and chaos ensues. I want no part of that bullshit, believe me.
Now when I talk about taking back our country I feel I do a much better job of explaining my position than this wannabe orange turd ever could.
You do understand he believes he owns the country right? You do understand he is very unstable right? And you prefer this aberration , this orange turd, who is most definitely off the deep end right?
"GOP bad, Dems good,". You didn't have to say anything about Trump. You responded in a manner that still suggests that pitting one party against the other is relevant to the conversation at this point in time.
And at this point in time the GOP is led around by the Orange Turd.
In the case of Trump or Biden neither will be a good thing. If enough individuals get on the actual ballot for 2024 bad things can and will happen, in my opinion. However this may be what it takes to expose that almost totally corrupt "complex political landscape" you speak so highly of. "It is well served by complex democratic process."
At least for once I can almost agree with you, however you missed an important point with this massive generalization. Question. Is it your belief that this "complex democratic process", which, in my opinion is predominately totally corrupt, serves anything but itself at this point?
I'm not even thinking of war. But do you think the GOP didn't advocate for every war that the US has fought in since WWII? Do you not believe JFK advocating for peace, was the reason he was taken out by the conservatives? I don't consider the GOP a viable party any longer, so you're right, It's Dems good, GOP bad.
I'm thinking more along the lines of the end of American democracy, as we know it. The orange jesus is that much of a threat. Maybe you feel differently, but given the choice, is there one? If January 6th and the ongoing aftermath doesn't disturb you, maybe it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.
The end of US democracy occurred long ago—the rise of the administrative state with progressives like TR and Wilson, amplified by the New Deal, then WW II gave us the MIC. The Founders would be appalled at it all. Yes, Trump is a buffoon when he’s not crazy. But, Biden isn’t saving anything like democracy, he’s playing along with the same mentality that brought us 11/22/1963. “We’re Washington, we know best, now sit quietly and do as your told”.
IMHO, there is no debate. I plead guilty if you're suggesting something was wrong with the New Deal and progressives. It's the best thing that happened in the country. The government actually did something good for the benefit of millions of people.
And if I get your drift, suggesting that progressives had anything to do with bringing the MIC into our system is laughable. Just take a look at who opposed JFK when he advocated for peace. Certainly not progressives. Since our whole system is based upon a two party system, we have two choices. I repeat, in my world, there is only one choice. It's not even close.
It seems to me that in the following video Prof. Jerry Kroth has put the pieces together well based on the available evidence. The subject of the video is LBJ and his motives, but he ties the other players, each with their own motives, together towards the end. LBJ was a cornpone version of Vito Corleone but a lot more deadly.
Debates and dissenting views are important, sadly RFK Jr is a deeply flawed vehicle for change, though.
THIS*, for example, will come back to haunt him if by some miracle he manages to pose a viable threat to Biden's presumed nomination, and there's much more where that came from:
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-disgrace-and-danger-of-rfk-jr
https://www.jewishexponent.com/rfk-jr-and-the-unintentional-bigotry-of-sloppy-thinkers/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/08/he-is-wrong-robert-f-kennedy-jrs-family-calls-him-out-anti-vax-conspiracy-theories/
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/rfk-jr-vaccine-disinformation/
Excerpt: Politics June 22, 2023
*Just Another RFK Jr. Lie. I Know, Because It’s About Me.
I edited Kennedy’s error-ridden piece on a vaccine-autism link, which Salon later retracted. We caved to the truth, not Big Pharma.
"I’ve been doing my best to ignore the farcical presidential candidacy of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. His noxious views on vaccines, the origin of AIDS, the alleged dangers of wi-fi and other forms of junk science deserve no wide hearing. Polls showing he’s favored by 20 percent of likely Democratic voters over President Biden are almost as laughable as Kennedy’s views. It’s early; he’s got iconic American name recognition; and there’s almost always an appetite, among Democrats anyway, for anybody but the incumbent. His lies have been thoroughly debunked by Judd Legum at Popular Info, Michael Scherer in The Washington Post, Naomi Klein in The Guardian, and Brandy Zadrozny on NBC News.
But I’ve come to believe I have a responsibility to write about Kennedy because of my own shameful role in sending his toxic vaccine views into public discourse: I was the Salon editor, in partnership with Rolling Stone, who 18 years ago published his mendacious, error-ridden piece on how thimerosal in childhood vaccines supposedly led to a rise in autism, and how public health officials covered it up. From the day “Deadly Immunity” went up on Salon.com, we were besieged by scientists and advocates showing how Kennedy had misunderstood, incorrectly cited, and perhaps even falsified data. Some of his sources turned out to be known crackpots."
Man oh man, I think you guys WILL realize this is just unavoidable and too much to overcome at some point, but - the sooner the better, that's my respectful dissenting view on what might indeed otherwise have been a worthwhile enterprise!
Annette Bosworth, MD discusses the preprint of a new paper on the Covid vaccines.
She entitled her video, "The biggest crime in the history of medicine."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3N-uFfvU5s&t=131s
RFK Jr may not look so crazy by election day.
Why aren't these newspaper headlines?
"Never Before Seen Blood Clots Found By Embalmers":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24YQTtXHCM8
These blood clots are like something out of a Michael Chrichton novel, and the mainstream media won't talk about them.
"U.K.’s New Mortality Calculations HIDE Excess Deaths":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU5aoIpRNOA
Most Americans don't even know what "excess deaths" are because the mainstream media won't report on them.
Wait - WHO exactly IS "Annette Bosworth," and why is this some You Tube video and not peer-reviewed results in a recognized medical journal?
What's much more likely - since you just ignored and did not try at all to bolster any of RFK Jr's crackpot distortions, of course! - is that Bosworth will be drummed out of the medical profession (if she even IS in that profession!) and lose her license by election day.
Also: SUMMARIZE AN ARGUMENT FROM THE LIKELY DERANGED VIDEO IN YOUR OWN WORDS, then we can refute it, thanks!
See also:
www.salon.com/2024/02/23/dr-john-gartner-on-a-tale-of-two-brains-bidens-brain-is-aging-brain-is-dementing/
THIS we can maybe agree on, although the Trump cult and some of the wackiest of nescient gibberish RFK Jr and some of his compadres have spewed overlap, when it comes to COVID and defamatory lies about Dr. Fauci and Professor Peter Hotez, of course.
For someone who went to law school, you don't read very carefully. It's a preprint. Maybe you need to look up that word.
WHO exactly IS "Richard Turnbull"?
*www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/10/board-revokes-medical-license-annette-bosworth/72032188/
I read extreme carefully, WHY ISN'T THIS MATERIAL IN A PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?
Maybe the tip-off is calling her b.s. "The GREATEST CRIME IN THE HISTORY OF MEDICINE" is a clue?
And you people take it SERIOUSLY, it's incomprehensible ANYONE can not have alarms go off by claims that grandiose!
Your lame attempt at insulting me fails, AWL, you've done this sort of thing before, and it always does fail - and certainly as you post anonymously, while I use my real name, have mentioned repeatedly that I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota, etc., it's even more laughable, so thanks for that!
Could it be that she lost her medical license* and is just one more crackpot like RFK Jr. on these topics?
Either summarize her claims IN YOUR OWN WORDS - since I doubt you even understand them at all, truth be told - or give this up. I don't particularly want to "block you," but anti-vaxxers advocate, in effect, spreading deadly diseases DURING A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, including diseases that kill children, so have some self-respect (and self-awareness) and either put up or shut up about "Annette Bosworth," who used to be a medical doctor, or whatever she is.
"I read extreme carefully, WHY ISN'T THIS MATERIAL IN A PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?"
BECAUSE IT'S A PREPRINT!
It's too long to summarize. She does a good job walking laymen through it.
You are shooting the messenger. The paper speaks for itself.
DOH, so I have to explain the difference between the statements, really?
WHY did she not WAIT until it IS in a peer-reviewed journal?
The implication is this bogus "Greatest Crime in Medical History Bilge" video is to garner clicks and make $$$ for her, there may well BE no such (reputable, legit) medical journal that will go along with her silly hoax, genius!
Look, YOU need to share this "greatest crime in medical history" claim with people as silly and gullible as you seem to be, capiche?
If this Bosworth character really has anything remotely close to that, it will surface soon enough - but this b.s. has been going on since 2020! Wild, unhinged, preposterously distorted
"revelatory facts" about COVID vaccines.
You cannot summarize it because, of course, you have been DUPED by some nonsense and as it is incoherent, self-contradictory and or tendentious and self-refuting, of COURSE there's no way to "summarize it"!
It likely involves attributing outright criminal motives to people who manufactured or recommended the vaccines, and she will lucky if she isn't sued for defamation - for accusing someone of "the greatest crime" etc. etc.
Seriously, I can't comprehend you people anymore - the urge to fall for every hyperbolic conspiracy claim, it's just embarrassing for you.
RFK Jr has gotten plenty wrong. I take everything he says about Covid with a large grain of salt.
On balance, I find his views on Covid to be *immeasurably* more accurate and rational than those that were pushed by government authorities, medical journals, and the mainstream media during the height of the crisis.
Member of British Parliament calls for inquiry into possible criminality surrounding the approval of the mRNA Covid vaccines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcMhWEjkqE
Sure, sure you do....[Backs away carefully]
https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/dunning-kruger-effect
What an obnoxious and presumptuous response!
You brought in on yourself, here ya go, THIS is the character you are gullible enough to trust, so don't be shrieking when it provokes mockery and a reference to the Dunning - Kruger effect - it's shows a deep insecurity and lack of self-respect, so sorry / not sorry:
" Facts First: Kennedy’s claims are false, debunked by his own words. He has promoted false claims about vaccines for years – and said in 2021 that he had personally urged strangers to refrain from vaccinating their babies. He encouraged others to do the same.
Kennedy’s anti-vaccine record has been extensively documented. He has long pushed the debunked claim that there is a link between childhood vaccinations and autism. Among other things, he has also misstated the contents of vaccines, falsely claimed there is convincing evidence that the 1918 influenza pandemic and HIV both originated with vaccine research, and repeatedly touted misinformation about Covid-19 vaccines. In 2021, for example, he baselessly claimed that there had been a wave of “suspicious” deaths among seniors who had taken these vaccines.
It would be more than fair to argue that Kennedy’s years of false claims about vaccines has been tantamount to Kennedy urging Americans to avoid vaccination. But such an argument is not even necessary; Kennedy has explicitly said that he has urged people to avoid vaccination.
NBC News senior reporter Brandy Zadrozny noted Thursday that when Kennedy was asked on the “Health Freedom for Humanity” podcast in 2021 how parents should respond to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention schedule of immunizations for children, which his questioner described as “insane,” he responded by encouraging people to join him in telling strangers not to vaccinate their babies.
“For many, many years, I think parents were so gaslighted, and they were scapegoated, and they were vilified and marginalized, so that even parents of kids who were very, very badly injured, knew what happened to their kid, but they were just reluctant to talk about it. And I think now those days are over,” Kennedy said.
“We – our job is to resist and to talk about it to everybody. If you’re walking down the street – and I do this now myself, which is, you know, I don’t want to do – I’m not a busybody. I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, ‘Better not get him vaccinated.’ And he heard that from me. If he hears it from 10 other people, maybe he won’t do it, you know, maybe he will save that child.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/21/politics/fact-check-rfk-not-anti-vax/index.html
And that's only one of literally thousands of credible sources refuting RFK Jr., there's also THIS, but maybe you admire him because of the content, who knows:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/08/robert-kennedy-jr-measles-vaccines-226798/ ^^^^ This is from his closest relatives, think about that!
And THIS:
August 14, 2023
Racist COVID Claims Spread by RFK, Jr., and Other Demagogues Are Deadly
False claims about racial susceptibility to COVID by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and others are dangerous and reveal a widespread misunderstanding of our shared vulnerability to disease
By Eleanor J. Murray & Monica H. Green
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/racist-covid-infection-theories-arent-just-wrong-they-are-deadly/
I don't have time to help with the extensive education people like you require, since you seem recalcitrant to basic correction on the most simple scientific issues about vaccines - might as well try to educate a Flat Earther or a "9/11 Truther," it is clear enough once dug in to the dogmatic inflexibility, there you will remain, c'est la vie!
I'll let you add another silly insult - and avoid trying to deal with any specific claim, not dealing in globally vague generalities , that RFK Jr has made egregiously false enough for you to comprehend only gullible rubes actually believe he's any kind of credible source on vaccines, irrespective of how much it hurts your pride.
That's how some kinds of intellectual growth occur - a person unsuspectingly thinks they REALLY know enough about virology or infectious diseases, and the history of vaccines, to evaluate a bloviating pseudo-expert like RFK Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination
^^^^^^ Here, you can cherry pick some vaccines that were wrongly formulated and claim that "proves" RFK Jr was right all along, too!
Or read it more carefully and realize it's a risk assessment problem, as usual - the risks of coming down with a serious, possibly deadly case of Covid were vastly lower in the vaccinated population, for example. Ditto with the spread of measles, but maybe a bunch of children will have to die NEEDLESSLY before the State of Florida fires their crackpot health commissioner, who knows.
People haven't seen what happens to a largely UN-vaccinated population with respect to measles, so they sometimes stupidly reason, "Why gets a Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine, hardly anyone has measles, it's incredibly rare!"
"THIS is the character you are gullible enough to trust"
I guess you missed the part (a good ~50% of the very brief comment) where I said I actually don't trust what he says?
No, IN CONTEXT you still suggested he was credible, he's a FRAUD, as I point out in the other reply on here I just posted.
You trust him enough to state openly that you will "almost certainly vote for" RFK Jr., not for some relatively insignificant position where he can get the mental health therapy in his spare time he so clearly needs, but as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, an office which is arguably STLL "the most powerful elected office on earth."
Russell says Jean Souetre was definitely there in Dallas. I’ve tried looking into this multiple times and nothing I find establishes this. Where does this come from and is it actually something that can be described as a “definite”?
Souetre was arrested 48 hours after the Assassinstion and then deported according to Dick Russell on latest podcast.
Yeah that is what I was looking for confirmation of in terms of sourcing. I’ve dug for it all but the only source I could find I tend to remember being unclear. But many repeat this claim so I am thinking I’m just missing something.
You may find more in Dick Russell's book The Man Who Knew Too Much. I'd start with that. Look at the footnotes.
I’m with you on this. I’d like to see something more on it.
Interesting story on the Z-Unit: https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/inside-story-of-us-black-ops-in-post-war-japan/
Very, very interesting interview. Dick Russell talked about the Four Shooters in Dealey Plaza. He repeated what was said in the Reiner podcast that there was no collaboration amongst the Shooters. This is really hard to believe. I wonder why he is so adamant about no collaboration. It was done with such precision. Surely they also had spotters, and getaway vehicles waiting. Russell also talked about General Charles Willoughby as being the chief architect of the Assassination. We get the same information as was presented in Reiner's podcast about him. I was disappointed Russell was not asked about the Sixth Floor Shooter. It was not Oswald according to the Reiner podcast. The Sixth Floor Shooter angle was also not discussed in any depth in Reiners podcast.
"There was no collaboration among the shooters."
Interesting point, especially in light of Jeff Morley's directive from WaPo in 1996, mentioned in his Marina Oswald Porter piece ("We don't do JFK assassination stories. Anyone who does them will be banished from the kingdom").
I have subscribed to WaPo for 50 years. I remember when the HSCA published its report in 1979, declaring that two shooters fired on the president. Jeff was just a Yale undergrad at the time. WaPo published an editorial, suggesting that the two shooters were probably just two unrelated guys who just happened to pick Dealey Plaza at 12:30 pm for two separate unrelated attempts on JFK's life.
Old Chinese proverb: " there is no such thing as coincidence."
"There was no collaboration among shooters."
This is to prevent leaks from those among the group. A stock and trade method used be CIA and in other operations of "complete" secrecy. The technique is called "compartmentalization" It seems to have worked very well in this case. Not so much with the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb. Why? The number of individuals trusted by those heading up the effort, out of necessity I might ad, was very large. The project was riddled with spies, something the U.S. Government would rather not talk about for very obvious reasons.
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, you must remember paid the ultimate price, while others guilty of much lesser crimes walked away unmolested by those they worked in close concert with.
Teller was spying for Israel and they could not stop him because he was the number one fan of developing the "SUPER", the thermonuclear weapon. Oppenheimer knew this and we all see what happened to him. I have written about this incident before, if you want to look for those who were involved in the Shapiro theft of Special Nuclear Materials this would be the place to look first. Lewis L. Strauss and the bunch that blackball Robert Oppenheimer are the group to study first. The Grey Committee.
I owe not one dog damned thing to Teller and his ilk. A spy is a spy is a spy and he had James Jesus Angleton's number, who, it is very apparent to me was all in with providing Israel with what eve they desired. A spy is a spy, is a spy!
As I have and will continue to say this story is of a grand dynamic. How to terrorize and entire country by killing one man in public and covering it up.
Ask yourself a very valid question. Why no televised coverage of the JFK hit?
Now google that topic. They dog damned sure televised the hit on LHO didn't they.
Now for those who just cannot seem to grasp the situation here, you might want to go to the utube and view James Carville's recent rant in which he refers to the SCOTUS as the SCROTUS - James went "off-scale high" on this collection of "gravey sucking pigs" and for good reason. Don't watch you miss out!
James Carville Rips Scotus March 1, 2024 calls the court the SCROTUS great stuff.
Another terrific in-depth, informative interview with one of the original JFK researchers. Well done Jeff. The Angleton discussion was extraordinary, with Russell actually breaking bread with him a few times, and you who wrote the definitive book on Angleton.
Also, the book he wrote, The Man Who Knew Too Much, helped the public realize there was more to the story than what they were led to believe.
I fear his friendship and backing of RFK Jr. Is going to turn out problematic for Russell. Besides the dangerous bone headed vaccine theories, today RFK Jr. got on the 2024 Presidential ballots in Georgia and Arizona, which Biden won by a mere 10,000 plus votes in 2020.
Ralph Nader comes to mind. It's not going to end well. Richard Russell is riding on the wrong train and may be responsible for 4 more years of the orange Jesus. 🍊
RFK Jr helps Biden, not Trump.
"Polls consistently show Kennedy is more popular with Republicans than Democrats . . . ." Politico
Quinnipiac recently put out an interesting poll that showed that RFK Jr took many more votes from Nikki Haley than Trump. Basically RFK Jr's inclusion would swing an election from Haley to Biden, but would considerably narrow Biden's margin of victory over Trump.
Not sure what to make of the poll but Quinnipiac is a good pollster and their poll is consistently one where Kennedy does better.
Either way, I'm almost certainly voting for Kennedy.
RFK Jr. Closing In On Trump & Biden - Now Within The Margin Of Error in AZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKo7HoZjwz4
Great video.
Important development.
Agreed. I now think RFK Jr will come closer to winning than any third party candidate in American history.
So in the comment that just showed up in my inbox you "don't trust Kennedy," but you're "almost certainly voting for Kennedy." ???
Look Julian K., I have spent large segments of my waking life since my teens and participating in high school debate team tournaments, studying logic and argumentation, as an undergrad and in graduate school in philosophy (where taking Symbolic Logic is de rigeur and that's only the half of it, with respect to dissecting claims, suppositions, inferences, rationality, the nature of sound and unsound reasoning, the works, it after all IS `philosophy'! That's what we do!) and then in law school, and I have no idea what your thing is on here.
Too bad if I sounded "smug" and whatever other lame insult you came up with was, but here, now I ask you: WHY would ANYONE vote for this anti-scientific, dangerous spreader of potentially deadly policy recommendations about vaccinating children to protect them from measles, who made racist and dangerous recommendations about COVID and the measles? That's something that drew far more scorn in harsher tones than anything I have posted about your confusions, Julian! See THIS:
Racist COVID Claims Spread by RFK, Jr., and Other Demagogues Are Deadly
False claims about racial susceptibility to COVID by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and others are dangerous and reveal a widespread misunderstanding of our shared vulnerability to disease By Eleanor J. Murray & Monica H. Green
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/racist-covid-infection-theories-arent-just-wrong-they-are-deadly/
And in the Scientific American journal, mind you, not some bloviating gibberish on a Joe Rogan podcast or a hokey You Tube video with "doctors" who have zero credentials in virology or infectious disease expertise, exactly like RFK Jr. himself.
****** "Earlier this summer Kennedy touted a meeting with Ice Cube, a rapper who issued bizarre antisemitic tweets, and publicly defended musician Roger Waters, who was embroiled in controversy after donning a costume intended to evoke Nazi attire at a concert in Germany." ****
"The report says Kennedy has also repeatedly promoted and praised fringe online broadcaster James Corbett, a Sandy Hook and 9/11 conspiracy theorist who has claimed that “Hitler and the Nazis were 100% completely and utterly set up”.
Kennedy has often allied himself with the Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, who regularly unleashed tirades about alleged Jewish control of media and government. Kennedy met Farrakhan at his Chicago home in 2015, with Farrakhan later tweeting that they discussed “a vaccine that is designed to affect Black males”.
******* The Project details how Kennedy himself has frequently invoked Nazi Germany when pushing debunked theories about vaccines. He put out a video that showed the infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci with a moustache reminiscent of Adolf Hitler and used the word “holocaust” to describe children he believes were hurt by vaccines in 2015.
Last year, at a Washington rally organized by his group Children’s Health Defense, Kennedy complained that people’s rights were being violated by public health measures that had been taken to reduce the number of people sickened and killed by Covid-19. He said: “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could cross the Alps to Switzerland. You could hide in an attic like Anne Frank did.” He later apologised.
For years, the document says, Kennedy has targeted a particularly dangerous form of vaccine denial at Black people. In 2021 at the height of the Covid-19 vaccination campaign, he released Medical Racism, a film that promoted disproven claims about the dangers of vaccines and explicitly warned communities of color to be suspicious of “sinister” vaccination campaigns.
Several doctors and experts who participated in the film later denounced it and said they felt used and misled about the message of the documentary. Richard Allen Williams, founder of the Association of Black Cardiologists, called Children’s Health Defense “absolutely a racist operation” particularly dangerous to the Black community.
In 2017, as a measles outbreak devastated Minnesota’s Somali-American community due to low vaccination rates, Kennedy continued to push his false claims that “science and anecdotal evidence suggest that Africans and African Americans may be particularly vulnerable to vaccine injuries including autism”.
In a 2020 interview, Kennedy asserted without evidence that “People with African blood react differently to vaccines than people with Caucasian blood. They’re much more sensitive.” SOURCE:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/19/robert-kennedy-jr-racist-antisemitic-xenophobic-views ^^^^ The credibly sourced debunking of RFK Jr
is easily accessible online, this is just a tiny fragment of the material. This ain't rocket
surgery, Julian! So what gives? WHY support this relentless fraud, instead of Biden? Or even just sitting out the election altogether, or writing in some "protest vote candidate"?
Call me skeptical, but time will tell. Ralph Nader made similar comments as to why he wouldn't back out from running in 2000 and we ended up with Bush/Cheney, a 20 year war in Iraq, a bank implosion that almost collapsed our total banking system and the eventual birth of the insane tea party movement that has taken over the GOP today. A strong case can be made that had Gore won, he lost Florida by a mere 400+ votes, we wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq and we definitely would not have seen the deregulation that caused the great banking debacle of 2008. RFK Jr. is playing with fire.
Gore didn't lose the Florida vote. Gore's victory was stolen from him when the US Supreme Court in a partisan 5-4 decision stopped the recount. It was a judicial coup d'etat.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/10/democrats-should-remember-al-gore-won-florida-in-2000-but-lost-the-presidency-with-a-preemptive-surrender/
I’ve read the Supreme Court decision carefully and I think it was correct. I would say profoundly correct. The problem with the Florida vote has turned out to be much bigger than anyone thought. Election tampering on a massive scale goes back a long way.
Well, he did lose by some 400 votes, but your argument is off point, nonetheless. Had Nader not run, or pulled out of the race, the judicial coup d'etat would never have taken place. Without Nader in the race, Gore would have won the Presidency. There would have been no need for the Supreme's to weigh in. If ever the phrase, "Elections have consequences", had profound implications, it was that election. Hopefully we aren't looking back in 2025 with the same regrets.
Only because the Supreme Court stopped the vote counting.
You assume the Nader votes would have gone to Gore. The people who voted for Nader wouldn't have voted had he not been in the race. The people who will vote for RFK Jr will likely not vote for Trump or Biden if he's not on the ballot. They will vote for Jill Stein. Cornel West, the Libertarian Party candidate, some other third party candidate, or they will sit home.
Gore did not lose 2000 because of Nader. He was a neoliberal zombie of a candidate who could not even win his home state (Tennessee). You are assuming that all Nader's voters would have voted Gore, if he (Nader) was not in the race. There have been multiple studies that show that most Nader voters would have stayed home if they could not choose him. You also remember the famous "butterfly" ballots that caused many Gore voters to accidently vote for Pat Buchanan. You may also remember Florida Gov. Bush and Sec. State Katherine Harris knocking tens of thousands of black voters off the roles at the last minute. I suspect that many RFK Jr. voters would stay home or leave the ballot blank this year if not afforded the opportunity to vote for him. If we ever get to nationwide rank choice voting, we could permanently put this discussion to rest.
I forgot to mention all the registered Democrats in Florida who crossed over to vote Bush, and registered Republicans who voted Buchanan. Do we blame them for taking away votes from Gore and Bush, respectively? Bottom line-until we get nationwide rank-choice voting, all candidates have to earn their votes by persuading voters, not arrogantly assume they are owed anyone's vote.
For a neoliberal zombie, he didn't do too shabby. To quote Larry David, "he did pretty, pretty good".
I am not assuming all of Nader's voters would have voted for Gore whatsoever. I am assuming that humans are complex individuals who are unpredictable and quite the opposite of monolithic. Here are the actual voting numbers in Florida for you to digest: Total votes for Bush...2,912, 790. Gore...2,912,253. Nader....97,488.
I am suggesting that whatever percentages you want to use, some of the 97,488 Nader voters would have voted for Gore. If you disagree, end of argument. I'm not looking to convince you or anybody as to the complexity of the human mind. The outcome of the 2000 election clearly changed the course of history and could have been avoided. Same will be true if Biden loses in a close election. Don't think for a minute that RFK Jr. doesn't realize it. Not only his family has told him so, many politico's have said the same.
If RFK Jr. truly understood why his father and uncle were assassinated, he would not continue the path he is on. Both JFK and RFK believed in changing the system by being part of it and working from within to make meaningful change. The last thing they would have wanted to see was one of their sons acting as a 3rd party candidate to potentially swing the election to the GOP.
Well stated.
Your analysis really boils down to “GOP bad, Dems good”. You suggest that if only we were to re-elect Biden we could avoid senseless immoral wars that trample the best interests of the American people. You might want to check your assumptions. The political landscape is far more complex than you imagine. It is well served by a complex democratic process.
Come on Paul. So what are you saying? The election bearing down on us and time running out. Elect the orange turd? Seriously.
Dude it is much later than you and others might think. If the SCROTUS gives the orange Turd another chance at the golden ring, it is all over. The SCROTUS is rigged.
I have a great aversion to licking the boots of the Black and Tan bunch, thank you very much.
Ever hear the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?" Figure it out, the orange turd is the my enemy, maybe not so much yours, I'm clueless to your reasons, however, he is also the friend of my other enemies. You a big fan of Omerta are you? I'm very curious and a big fan of having a free country led by a representative government not an authoritarian state lead by a dictator.
You might be interested in what happens to countries that depend on fascism to maintain power. The state becomes totally unstable in the end, everyone ratting on the "other", to curry favor with the authorities so they can maintain some sort of sanctuary for themselves and their families.
So much "reporting on the other " takes place the system of reporting your neighbors becomes gridlocked and chaos ensues. I want no part of that bullshit, believe me.
Now when I talk about taking back our country I feel I do a much better job of explaining my position than this wannabe orange turd ever could.
You do understand he believes he owns the country right? You do understand he is very unstable right? And you prefer this aberration , this orange turd, who is most definitely off the deep end right?
Thanks Jeff
I didn’t say anything about Trump.
Review your statement.
"GOP bad, Dems good,". You didn't have to say anything about Trump. You responded in a manner that still suggests that pitting one party against the other is relevant to the conversation at this point in time.
And at this point in time the GOP is led around by the Orange Turd.
In the case of Trump or Biden neither will be a good thing. If enough individuals get on the actual ballot for 2024 bad things can and will happen, in my opinion. However this may be what it takes to expose that almost totally corrupt "complex political landscape" you speak so highly of. "It is well served by complex democratic process."
At least for once I can almost agree with you, however you missed an important point with this massive generalization. Question. Is it your belief that this "complex democratic process", which, in my opinion is predominately totally corrupt, serves anything but itself at this point?
Thanks Jeff and the SS Crew.
I'm not even thinking of war. But do you think the GOP didn't advocate for every war that the US has fought in since WWII? Do you not believe JFK advocating for peace, was the reason he was taken out by the conservatives? I don't consider the GOP a viable party any longer, so you're right, It's Dems good, GOP bad.
I'm thinking more along the lines of the end of American democracy, as we know it. The orange jesus is that much of a threat. Maybe you feel differently, but given the choice, is there one? If January 6th and the ongoing aftermath doesn't disturb you, maybe it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.
The end of US democracy occurred long ago—the rise of the administrative state with progressives like TR and Wilson, amplified by the New Deal, then WW II gave us the MIC. The Founders would be appalled at it all. Yes, Trump is a buffoon when he’s not crazy. But, Biden isn’t saving anything like democracy, he’s playing along with the same mentality that brought us 11/22/1963. “We’re Washington, we know best, now sit quietly and do as your told”.
IMHO, there is no debate. I plead guilty if you're suggesting something was wrong with the New Deal and progressives. It's the best thing that happened in the country. The government actually did something good for the benefit of millions of people.
And if I get your drift, suggesting that progressives had anything to do with bringing the MIC into our system is laughable. Just take a look at who opposed JFK when he advocated for peace. Certainly not progressives. Since our whole system is based upon a two party system, we have two choices. I repeat, in my world, there is only one choice. It's not even close.
Russell makes sense of that which eludes the novice.
It is obvious those who planned this hit made certain they were successful. Those in
Dallas for the express purpose of taking a shot or two at JFK knew the ropes, they were Professionals.
Great stuff, again!
It seems to me that in the following video Prof. Jerry Kroth has put the pieces together well based on the available evidence. The subject of the video is LBJ and his motives, but he ties the other players, each with their own motives, together towards the end. LBJ was a cornpone version of Vito Corleone but a lot more deadly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeTYZpk97C4