1. Regarding the "Jet Effect," that theory of Dr, Luis Alvarez, a proven liar, would never be accepted in a federal court. Under the prevailing Frye/Daubert standard, an expert opinion must have a substantial basis among peer reviewed literature of similar experts. Alvarez, as detailed by Josiah Thompson in "Last Second in Dallas" just kept shooting ANY weapon (not just Mannlicher Carcanos) at melons and gourds until he got a backward effect with a randon watermelon. "Jet Effect" is horseshit.
Regarding Dr. Perry and his observation of an entrance wound in the president's throat, the question is raised: if a BULLET entered the throat, where did it exit? (hint: it didn't). The problem may stem from a layman's viewing of the Zapruder film, where JFK is seen to clutch for his throat after 224.
The clutching motion is not necessarily directed at the throat. An entry wound to the trapezius muscles just before 224 would likely induce the same muscular reaction. We know JFK suffered such a wound (by autopsy) and we know there was no exit path for that wound.
Finally, we have the recorded recolledctions of the morticians at Gawlers Funeral Home. They not only confirmed the existence and repair of a large defect in the right lower occiput. They also reported that formaldehyde was leaking copiously from small fissures in JFK's face as the corpse was being prepared for burial. It is a logical conclusion that a frontal shot caused the first head wound at 313 and associated metal/glass wounded the president's throat and face, followed by the final head shot at 328, documented by Thompson (p. 173, n. 12-2).
So Perry was right; the throat wound was a frontal wound of entry. It just wasn't a full bullet.
So much could be learned from an exhumation and an honest autopsy attended by a half dozen of the nation's best pathologists. The national security surveillance state can't allow it.
Caroline continues to serve the government as an ambassador. I wonder if she really believes the government propaganda about her father's death.
Well, nice job, that was filled with interesting questions and answers, and I was only going to respond to the "Oswald deployed in a mole hunt" thesis, but since the sinking of the U.S.S. Liberty was mentioned --- sure the Israelis "deliberately" sank it, but the Liberty was in a war zone during the Six Day War, and the next set of questions involve, " What ship did they think they were sinking?" FOG OF WAR.
But as far as KGB deploying spies aimed at infiltrating their counterparts, of course they did, my question is what was Oswald told? What did he understand was supposed to be his role? Perhaps withheld CIA docs cast light on that. And maybe he was told something that is extremely embarrassing to the CIA, in light of the actual assassination.
Even if it was not evidence of organizing a plot to assassinate JFK --- much of this remains murky.
The fact is we cannot know, collectively, as an informed democracy, what the hell are the most astute questions on the more granular level about this, until the documents are released.
It can't be a defense for non-release of relevant documents, that showing how a "mole hunt" within an intel agency is conducted poses a threat to US national security, that's for sure.
The Israelis knew they were attacking a U.S. ship. Unlike the JFK assassination, this mystery was solved years ago but is unreported in the mainstream media (ask yourself why). A transmission from an Israeli pilot who saw that the ship was American and who then questioned the order was intercepted.
From "Leaving the U.S.S. Liberty Crew Behind" by former CIA analyst Ray McGovern:
On the few occasions when the mainstream U.S. media outlets are forced to address what happened, they blithely ignore the incredibly rich array of hard evidence and still put out the false narrative of the “mistaken” Israeli attack on the Liberty.
And they attempt to conflate fact with speculation, asking why Israel would deliberately attack a ship of the U.S. Navy. Why Tel Aviv wanted the Liberty and its entire crew on the bottom of the Mediterranean remains a matter of speculation, but there are plausible theories including Israel’s determination to keep the details of its war plans secret from everyone, including the U.S. government. [Or that it was an attack intended to bring the U.S. into the war by blaming the Egyptians had the ship sunk.]
But there is no doubt that destroying the Liberty and its crew was the mission assigned to Israel’s warplanes and torpedo boats. One Navy Admiral with a conscience, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (and before that Chief of Naval Operations) Thomas Moorer, has “broken ranks,” so to speak. Moorer helped lead an independent, blue-ribbon commission to investigate what happened to the Liberty.
The following are among the commission’s findings made public in October 2003:
1) That the attack, by a U.S. ally, was a “deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill its entire crew;”
2) That the attack included the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts [monstrous!];
3) That “the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the [ship] … never before in naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;”
4) That surviving crew members were later threatened with “court-martial, imprisonment, or worse” if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government.”
Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.
Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.
The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.
Why do so many people not even know about it, and, if they do, believe the attack was a mistake? Because the national security surveillance state lies to us, usually by omission and half-truths but sometimes by outright lies.
A former CIA agent revealed how the CIA plants lies in the news media in an interview years ago (thank you, Edward Snowden, for calling attention to this video):
Our government lies to us constantly and has done so for many decades, particularly with regard to war, foreign policy in general, and Israel in particular. We are the most propagandized people on earth. The JFK assassination is merely the tip of a very large iceberg.
Good podcast.
Two observations:
1. Regarding the "Jet Effect," that theory of Dr, Luis Alvarez, a proven liar, would never be accepted in a federal court. Under the prevailing Frye/Daubert standard, an expert opinion must have a substantial basis among peer reviewed literature of similar experts. Alvarez, as detailed by Josiah Thompson in "Last Second in Dallas" just kept shooting ANY weapon (not just Mannlicher Carcanos) at melons and gourds until he got a backward effect with a randon watermelon. "Jet Effect" is horseshit.
Regarding Dr. Perry and his observation of an entrance wound in the president's throat, the question is raised: if a BULLET entered the throat, where did it exit? (hint: it didn't). The problem may stem from a layman's viewing of the Zapruder film, where JFK is seen to clutch for his throat after 224.
The clutching motion is not necessarily directed at the throat. An entry wound to the trapezius muscles just before 224 would likely induce the same muscular reaction. We know JFK suffered such a wound (by autopsy) and we know there was no exit path for that wound.
Finally, we have the recorded recolledctions of the morticians at Gawlers Funeral Home. They not only confirmed the existence and repair of a large defect in the right lower occiput. They also reported that formaldehyde was leaking copiously from small fissures in JFK's face as the corpse was being prepared for burial. It is a logical conclusion that a frontal shot caused the first head wound at 313 and associated metal/glass wounded the president's throat and face, followed by the final head shot at 328, documented by Thompson (p. 173, n. 12-2).
So Perry was right; the throat wound was a frontal wound of entry. It just wasn't a full bullet.
So much could be learned from an exhumation and an honest autopsy attended by a half dozen of the nation's best pathologists. The national security surveillance state can't allow it.
Caroline continues to serve the government as an ambassador. I wonder if she really believes the government propaganda about her father's death.
Well, nice job, that was filled with interesting questions and answers, and I was only going to respond to the "Oswald deployed in a mole hunt" thesis, but since the sinking of the U.S.S. Liberty was mentioned --- sure the Israelis "deliberately" sank it, but the Liberty was in a war zone during the Six Day War, and the next set of questions involve, " What ship did they think they were sinking?" FOG OF WAR.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
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But as far as KGB deploying spies aimed at infiltrating their counterparts, of course they did, my question is what was Oswald told? What did he understand was supposed to be his role? Perhaps withheld CIA docs cast light on that. And maybe he was told something that is extremely embarrassing to the CIA, in light of the actual assassination.
Even if it was not evidence of organizing a plot to assassinate JFK --- much of this remains murky.
The fact is we cannot know, collectively, as an informed democracy, what the hell are the most astute questions on the more granular level about this, until the documents are released.
It can't be a defense for non-release of relevant documents, that showing how a "mole hunt" within an intel agency is conducted poses a threat to US national security, that's for sure.
The Israelis knew they were attacking a U.S. ship. Unlike the JFK assassination, this mystery was solved years ago but is unreported in the mainstream media (ask yourself why). A transmission from an Israeli pilot who saw that the ship was American and who then questioned the order was intercepted.
From "Leaving the U.S.S. Liberty Crew Behind" by former CIA analyst Ray McGovern:
On the few occasions when the mainstream U.S. media outlets are forced to address what happened, they blithely ignore the incredibly rich array of hard evidence and still put out the false narrative of the “mistaken” Israeli attack on the Liberty.
And they attempt to conflate fact with speculation, asking why Israel would deliberately attack a ship of the U.S. Navy. Why Tel Aviv wanted the Liberty and its entire crew on the bottom of the Mediterranean remains a matter of speculation, but there are plausible theories including Israel’s determination to keep the details of its war plans secret from everyone, including the U.S. government. [Or that it was an attack intended to bring the U.S. into the war by blaming the Egyptians had the ship sunk.]
But there is no doubt that destroying the Liberty and its crew was the mission assigned to Israel’s warplanes and torpedo boats. One Navy Admiral with a conscience, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (and before that Chief of Naval Operations) Thomas Moorer, has “broken ranks,” so to speak. Moorer helped lead an independent, blue-ribbon commission to investigate what happened to the Liberty.
The following are among the commission’s findings made public in October 2003:
1) That the attack, by a U.S. ally, was a “deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill its entire crew;”
2) That the attack included the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts [monstrous!];
3) That “the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the [ship] … never before in naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;”
4) That surviving crew members were later threatened with “court-martial, imprisonment, or worse” if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government.”
https://cnionline.org/leaving-the-uss-liberty-crew-behind/
Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.
Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.
The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.
https://rense.com/general39/pilot.htm
See also:
https://nationalvanguard.org/2022/06/uss-liberty-our-masters-reserve-the-right-to-kill-us-at-any-time/
https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
Documentaries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx72tAWVcoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUU08xnVaGM
Why do so many people not even know about it, and, if they do, believe the attack was a mistake? Because the national security surveillance state lies to us, usually by omission and half-truths but sometimes by outright lies.
A former CIA agent revealed how the CIA plants lies in the news media in an interview years ago (thank you, Edward Snowden, for calling attention to this video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-md6CQHx2-E
Our government lies to us constantly and has done so for many decades, particularly with regard to war, foreign policy in general, and Israel in particular. We are the most propagandized people on earth. The JFK assassination is merely the tip of a very large iceberg.