The final moments of tape make a powerful impression. And the fact that you could tell the history and implications of this call in a shorter period of time than those two men spoke that day, is also quite illustrative
Brilliant and powerful presentation of the 14 minute gap! Oswald was definitely NOT in Mexico City, and LBJ & Hoover had proof of it. They could've told Americans, that almost three months before the assassination, SOMEONE, had obviously framed Oswald, with phony photos and audiotapes, that were concocted to implicate him in attempting to meet with Kostikov, head of the Soviet assassination teams. And that their obvious goal was to frame him in a "Commie plot" to assassinate JFK, a plot that could be used as an excuse to start a war - a nuclear war, with the USSR.
The ONLY ones that could have known about Oswald in advance, AND could've pulled such strings to "patsify" him, almost 3 months in advance, was the CIA - not the Mafia, not the Russians, not General Walker & his racist neo-Nazi followers. ONLY the CIA controlled the cameras and taping equipment in Mexico City! They were the very agency that used anti-Castro Cuban exiles, illegally trained in secret CIA camps in the U.S., in multiple unsuccessful attempts to assassinate Castro. And they were the very agency that illegally created, organized and funded the Anti-Castro Cuban group, DRE, who George Joannides, CIA Dep DIr. of Psychological Warfare at JMWAVE funded to the tune of $50,000/mo. ($510,346/mo today) to dirty up Oswald, on film, just in time for the assassination. And it was CIA's DRE Leader, Carlos Bringuier, who wrote a letter on Aug 31, 1963 asking for Congress to investigate Lee Harvey Oswald, and for Americans to write to their Congressman to pressure them to investigate Lee Harvey Oswald.: https://web.archive.org/web/20140406223107/https://jfkfacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Bringueir-PR-082163.jpg
And it was the CIA's DRE who and who then put out a newspaper article about Oswald as the Commie "lone assassin" immediately after the assassination.:
All of this, an illegal psychological warfare operation on domestic soil, to pull off their coup d'etat! As is their 60+ years of gaslighting and coverup.
The pattern is obvious. The trail of breadcrumbs leads right to the CIA's doorstep.
Rather than tell Americans this dirty truth about the CIA, Johnson and Hoover let the "patsy" take the fall, and then pressured the WC to blame it all on the "lone nut" Oswald, and sweep it under the rug, "to prevent a nuclear war" - something they could've and should've done by laying the blame where it belonged, at the feet of the CIA. Why lay it at Oswald's feet? Because the CIA had kompromat on both of them, and have likely had kompromat on every President since, to get them to continue the coverup. And if kompromat wasn't sufficient, there were always the endless, nightmarish mental reruns of JFK's explosive execution in broad daylight, as a reminder of just who was REALLY in power, and what would happen to THEM if they didn't continue the charade.
I actually was able to listen to the tape of the conversation between LBJ and Hoover, which took place 1st thing the following morning of the assassination. It could be found on the internet in the mid-90's. Years later, when I found out it had been erased, I couldn't believe it. More solid proof of the government cover-up. ( As though there wasn't enough already). I called a friend immediately to jog his memory, as I had given him a heads up to listen to the conversation. And yes, he confirmed he had also listened to it. More evidence that's been washed and laundered through the years. The CIA knows how to do their job. And guess what? They don't have to answer to anyone, including our lawmakers. Sad but true.
At the top you say this conversation took place on the morning of November 22nd 1963. Contextually it seems like you meant to say November 23rd. Otherwise you have the smoking gun of the last century. Please confirm
That is such a good presentation. I am sure I actually heard that tape and, from memory, it was sometime in the 70's. Many years later I discussed it with someone and went looking for it to show my dubious friend. It was gone.
Not the only piece of compelling evidence to disappear.
The sound of the 6 second intervals of audible pulses in the blank tape is reminiscent of the awful finality of the cadence of Chopin's funeral march played by the military band in JFK's procession to his final resting place at Arlington. I shall never forget that weekend.
J. Edgar Hoover was duped for many years by a Kremlin-loyal triple agent by the name of Aleksei Kulak (FEDORA) at the Bureau's NYC field office. Kulak was the KGB's "outside man" to probable KGB "mole" Bruce Solie's "inside man" in the devastating feedback loop they formed against U.S. intelligence. Solie, a high-level officer in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security, was the confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting boss of father figure-requiring James Angleton, and he worked closely with the FBI. It was Kulak who made Valeriy Kostikov's name "radioactive" by telling the FBI several months before Oswald allegedly went to Mexico City that Kostikov's colleague, Igor Brykin at the UN, was a member of Department 13.
Superb! It’s been my view that LBJ and JEH came to an understanding very quickly to hang it on LHO as the lone gunman. Notwithstanding neither believing it was that simple. Both put a lid on any notion of the Washington apparatus of the state being involved or duplicity. They had an understanding that as two very effective operatives in D.C. they could pull off the lone gunman theory, block CiA further mischief, ensure they both could carry on in the jobs they craved. In a short time LBJ reappoints JEH. Investigations of LBJ business in Texas fades. One could say a “grand alliance”. Most evidence points to neither believing the official narrative.
From the Mary Ferrel site : "the fact that many people and groups had motive to kill JFK, making proving motive no more than a starting point. Another dilemma for those who study the case in search of answers is the need to separate acts of coverup from the conspiracy itself."
Each new "fact"only seems to hide the truth about who or what group killed JFK. Erasing tapes, destroying or refusing to release public information after ordered to by congress seems to only add to the confusion.
The evil, murderous people behind JFK's murder were very skilled at covering the trail to the truth. These were not amateurs but professional killers and some of them are probably still alive.
My guess is the erased 14 mins was a discussion about the public response if it was revealed Oswald was impersonated calling the Russian consulate discussing a wet ops Russian spy.
It’s obvious this conversation was the impetus for the Katzenbach memo the next day after LHO’s death. And who knows if Hoover was told to look the other way on LHO’s security measures that day by the DPD.
Cuz we all know if Oswald was guilty, the USG woulda made sure he was alive for trial.
Bravo
The final moments of tape make a powerful impression. And the fact that you could tell the history and implications of this call in a shorter period of time than those two men spoke that day, is also quite illustrative
Brilliant and powerful presentation of the 14 minute gap! Oswald was definitely NOT in Mexico City, and LBJ & Hoover had proof of it. They could've told Americans, that almost three months before the assassination, SOMEONE, had obviously framed Oswald, with phony photos and audiotapes, that were concocted to implicate him in attempting to meet with Kostikov, head of the Soviet assassination teams. And that their obvious goal was to frame him in a "Commie plot" to assassinate JFK, a plot that could be used as an excuse to start a war - a nuclear war, with the USSR.
The ONLY ones that could have known about Oswald in advance, AND could've pulled such strings to "patsify" him, almost 3 months in advance, was the CIA - not the Mafia, not the Russians, not General Walker & his racist neo-Nazi followers. ONLY the CIA controlled the cameras and taping equipment in Mexico City! They were the very agency that used anti-Castro Cuban exiles, illegally trained in secret CIA camps in the U.S., in multiple unsuccessful attempts to assassinate Castro. And they were the very agency that illegally created, organized and funded the Anti-Castro Cuban group, DRE, who George Joannides, CIA Dep DIr. of Psychological Warfare at JMWAVE funded to the tune of $50,000/mo. ($510,346/mo today) to dirty up Oswald, on film, just in time for the assassination. And it was CIA's DRE Leader, Carlos Bringuier, who wrote a letter on Aug 31, 1963 asking for Congress to investigate Lee Harvey Oswald, and for Americans to write to their Congressman to pressure them to investigate Lee Harvey Oswald.: https://web.archive.org/web/20140406223107/https://jfkfacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Bringueir-PR-082163.jpg
And it was the CIA's DRE who and who then put out a newspaper article about Oswald as the Commie "lone assassin" immediately after the assassination.:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140426005037/http://jfkfacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/VERSO2.jpg
All of this, an illegal psychological warfare operation on domestic soil, to pull off their coup d'etat! As is their 60+ years of gaslighting and coverup.
The pattern is obvious. The trail of breadcrumbs leads right to the CIA's doorstep.
Rather than tell Americans this dirty truth about the CIA, Johnson and Hoover let the "patsy" take the fall, and then pressured the WC to blame it all on the "lone nut" Oswald, and sweep it under the rug, "to prevent a nuclear war" - something they could've and should've done by laying the blame where it belonged, at the feet of the CIA. Why lay it at Oswald's feet? Because the CIA had kompromat on both of them, and have likely had kompromat on every President since, to get them to continue the coverup. And if kompromat wasn't sufficient, there were always the endless, nightmarish mental reruns of JFK's explosive execution in broad daylight, as a reminder of just who was REALLY in power, and what would happen to THEM if they didn't continue the charade.
I actually was able to listen to the tape of the conversation between LBJ and Hoover, which took place 1st thing the following morning of the assassination. It could be found on the internet in the mid-90's. Years later, when I found out it had been erased, I couldn't believe it. More solid proof of the government cover-up. ( As though there wasn't enough already). I called a friend immediately to jog his memory, as I had given him a heads up to listen to the conversation. And yes, he confirmed he had also listened to it. More evidence that's been washed and laundered through the years. The CIA knows how to do their job. And guess what? They don't have to answer to anyone, including our lawmakers. Sad but true.
At the top you say this conversation took place on the morning of November 22nd 1963. Contextually it seems like you meant to say November 23rd. Otherwise you have the smoking gun of the last century. Please confirm
Dramatic, I loved it and learned from it. How dare these people manipulate the common American. Where is the outrage?
That is such a good presentation. I am sure I actually heard that tape and, from memory, it was sometime in the 70's. Many years later I discussed it with someone and went looking for it to show my dubious friend. It was gone.
Not the only piece of compelling evidence to disappear.
The sound of the 6 second intervals of audible pulses in the blank tape is reminiscent of the awful finality of the cadence of Chopin's funeral march played by the military band in JFK's procession to his final resting place at Arlington. I shall never forget that weekend.
Powerful. Can you include the transcript that wasn't erased for the other members?
J. Edgar Hoover was duped for many years by a Kremlin-loyal triple agent by the name of Aleksei Kulak (FEDORA) at the Bureau's NYC field office. Kulak was the KGB's "outside man" to probable KGB "mole" Bruce Solie's "inside man" in the devastating feedback loop they formed against U.S. intelligence. Solie, a high-level officer in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security, was the confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting boss of father figure-requiring James Angleton, and he worked closely with the FBI. It was Kulak who made Valeriy Kostikov's name "radioactive" by telling the FBI several months before Oswald allegedly went to Mexico City that Kostikov's colleague, Igor Brykin at the UN, was a member of Department 13.
Superb! It’s been my view that LBJ and JEH came to an understanding very quickly to hang it on LHO as the lone gunman. Notwithstanding neither believing it was that simple. Both put a lid on any notion of the Washington apparatus of the state being involved or duplicity. They had an understanding that as two very effective operatives in D.C. they could pull off the lone gunman theory, block CiA further mischief, ensure they both could carry on in the jobs they craved. In a short time LBJ reappoints JEH. Investigations of LBJ business in Texas fades. One could say a “grand alliance”. Most evidence points to neither believing the official narrative.
From the Mary Ferrel site : "the fact that many people and groups had motive to kill JFK, making proving motive no more than a starting point. Another dilemma for those who study the case in search of answers is the need to separate acts of coverup from the conspiracy itself."
Each new "fact"only seems to hide the truth about who or what group killed JFK. Erasing tapes, destroying or refusing to release public information after ordered to by congress seems to only add to the confusion.
The evil, murderous people behind JFK's murder were very skilled at covering the trail to the truth. These were not amateurs but professional killers and some of them are probably still alive.
Bravo
My guess is the erased 14 mins was a discussion about the public response if it was revealed Oswald was impersonated calling the Russian consulate discussing a wet ops Russian spy.
It’s obvious this conversation was the impetus for the Katzenbach memo the next day after LHO’s death. And who knows if Hoover was told to look the other way on LHO’s security measures that day by the DPD.
Cuz we all know if Oswald was guilty, the USG woulda made sure he was alive for trial.
Jeff’s right - this is a historic 14 minutes.
You sound very similar to Peter Coyote. If someone had asked me to guess who was doing the narration, I would have guessed him.
An excellently well done episode. Compelling.
Kudos to John Newman, Rex Bradford, Jeff Morley, Alex Dobbert.
I have always thought the transcript was one of the key items in evidence.
I was unaware of the erasure until very recently which is also key evidence for its own reasons.