Risen’s book is now on my list. Great interview, thanks.
That said, I take issue with some of Risen’s perceptions about the “Deep State” today. It’s irrelevant whether the “Deep State” is genuinely “woke.” It only matters that it operates under “woke” slogans, and thus that our corporatism (which is part of current US imperialism) is “woke,” even if hypocritically. No new major US military interventions occurred under 4 years of Trump, and I believe the military-industrial complex viewed Trump as a problem to be eliminated.
This is very long but excellent. After the (very long) introductory section, it is divided into 13 chapters, all of which are worth reading if you find the time.
Jeff, just finished the whole podcast. There is really a ton of very excellent scholarship in the last few years that is pealing back the shroud of secrecy and putting the intelligence community under the microscope again. Few of those excellent historians are willing approach the subject of JFK, at least publicly, because of stigma. Still their work is an incredibly important contribution to the cause and I was very impressed that he used The Ghost as a resource. He really ought to read Scorpion's Dance while he's at it, since he didn't seem to be aware of your recent contribution to that story. Give him a couple signed copies of your books and have a beer with him. He seems pretty open to ideas like the murders around the investigations, Hampton and etc but he needs a little encouragement to take the next couple steps!
If he wants to write about extremists in the military, I'm sure you'd have a lot to tell him about Lemnitzer and LeMay!
May 26, 2023·edited May 27, 2023Liked by Chad Nagle
First off, to be honest, it is hard for me to credit someone who, even now, blithely affirms that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. Be that as it may...
What I find as troubling is that Risen seems to employ a disingenuous sleight-of-hand response to Jeff's question about the deep state (near the end of the interview). Jeff's question did not associate the deep state with Woke-ism. But Risen inserted the notion to set up a straw man mainly, I think, to evade the real issues regarding Trump's proposed harassment.
That Trump was viewed by these bureaucrats as a "national security risk" to be thwarted had next to nothing to do with woke-ism and everything to do with (ironically) NOT getting us into wars -- unlike corporatist pols -- whose ranks these days are filled with warmongering Democrats: the same Democratic adversaries who also came up with the Russia-gate hoax. Please, one need not be a MAGA fellow-traveler to see that Trump was being railroaded. But partisan folks find him so distasteful they feel justified in refusing to accept facts even when those same facts finally get officially acknowledged. Risen strikes me as this type with his Durham Report 'hand-wave' response.
At the very least one might argue that a Top/Bottom analysis rather than the old Left/Right analysis better explains the strange bedfellows behind our endless foreign military expenditures. If woke-ism is relevant at all, it is because it's cynically employed as a "righteous" distraction by "the Top" as they consolidate their wealth and power. Consider the lavish beach front estates owed by Joe, Nancy, Barak and Bill.
Nevertheless, Risen likely wrote a nice volume on Church and his committee work, but I am dubious that the CIA/US intelligence apparatus has continued to be “under the rule of law."
I agree with your analysis of “woke” and would add that, not only is it part of US imperialism, it’s also used in a profoundly “Ugly American” way in certain instances. What does that possibly achieve? [edit: except to signal alignment with globalist values]
Thanks for the link! I will MAKE the time to wade through it.
Great podcast. I've obtained the book. I can't help feeling that Congress has largely lost the skills necessary to run investigations. It is an expertise that they need to revive.
I would recommend to anyone who has not done so to obtain a copy of A SEASON OF INQUIRY - REVISITED - COPY RIGHT 29015THE CHURCH COMMITTEE CONFRONTS AMERICA'S SPY AGENCIES REVISITED. BY LOCK K JOHNSON
He originally wrote and released the book in 1984 and revised this one released it in 2015. Mr Johnson was a special assistant to the Chair of the Senate Select Committee House Subcommittee on Intelligence 1975 to 1976. See his wiki for the basic bio.
This volume sheds light on the dark undercurrents that surrounded the Church and Pike committees and the volune is extremely enlightening.
oh Risen(not) fails in the end ZERO respect sorry gone to us, only. a liar of simpleton could believe in SBT singularity no one at this level could be so ignorant even FIB's Hoover as L'BJ didn't believe nor For s eye sin hour you've been Intercepted ...as Lardner's fat chewing ,ws going to buy book cant now in final analysis. taints all perception in minds well mind swell
Risen’s book is now on my list. Great interview, thanks.
That said, I take issue with some of Risen’s perceptions about the “Deep State” today. It’s irrelevant whether the “Deep State” is genuinely “woke.” It only matters that it operates under “woke” slogans, and thus that our corporatism (which is part of current US imperialism) is “woke,” even if hypocritically. No new major US military interventions occurred under 4 years of Trump, and I believe the military-industrial complex viewed Trump as a problem to be eliminated.
This is very long but excellent. After the (very long) introductory section, it is divided into 13 chapters, all of which are worth reading if you find the time.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/guide-understanding-hoax-century-thirteen-ways-looking-disinformation
Jeff, just finished the whole podcast. There is really a ton of very excellent scholarship in the last few years that is pealing back the shroud of secrecy and putting the intelligence community under the microscope again. Few of those excellent historians are willing approach the subject of JFK, at least publicly, because of stigma. Still their work is an incredibly important contribution to the cause and I was very impressed that he used The Ghost as a resource. He really ought to read Scorpion's Dance while he's at it, since he didn't seem to be aware of your recent contribution to that story. Give him a couple signed copies of your books and have a beer with him. He seems pretty open to ideas like the murders around the investigations, Hampton and etc but he needs a little encouragement to take the next couple steps!
If he wants to write about extremists in the military, I'm sure you'd have a lot to tell him about Lemnitzer and LeMay!
Just purchased on Audible
Fascinating interview.
So much of what gets discussed at JFK Facts is extremely important.
As Risen points out a new round of reforms is needed — the Church Committee remains a work in progress.
So interesting the suggestion that Giancana may have been killed on orders from Harvey or even by Harvey directly.
The Mob runs on the Code of Omertà which forbids cooperation with authorities — the penalty is swift, certain, and brutal death.
Rosselli I would guess was executed by the Mob.
First off, to be honest, it is hard for me to credit someone who, even now, blithely affirms that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. Be that as it may...
What I find as troubling is that Risen seems to employ a disingenuous sleight-of-hand response to Jeff's question about the deep state (near the end of the interview). Jeff's question did not associate the deep state with Woke-ism. But Risen inserted the notion to set up a straw man mainly, I think, to evade the real issues regarding Trump's proposed harassment.
That Trump was viewed by these bureaucrats as a "national security risk" to be thwarted had next to nothing to do with woke-ism and everything to do with (ironically) NOT getting us into wars -- unlike corporatist pols -- whose ranks these days are filled with warmongering Democrats: the same Democratic adversaries who also came up with the Russia-gate hoax. Please, one need not be a MAGA fellow-traveler to see that Trump was being railroaded. But partisan folks find him so distasteful they feel justified in refusing to accept facts even when those same facts finally get officially acknowledged. Risen strikes me as this type with his Durham Report 'hand-wave' response.
At the very least one might argue that a Top/Bottom analysis rather than the old Left/Right analysis better explains the strange bedfellows behind our endless foreign military expenditures. If woke-ism is relevant at all, it is because it's cynically employed as a "righteous" distraction by "the Top" as they consolidate their wealth and power. Consider the lavish beach front estates owed by Joe, Nancy, Barak and Bill.
Nevertheless, Risen likely wrote a nice volume on Church and his committee work, but I am dubious that the CIA/US intelligence apparatus has continued to be “under the rule of law."
Thanks, Jeff — This is an absolutely fascinating interview with Jim Risen! I ordered the ‘The Last Honest Man’ — while listening to the interview…
Will add The Last Honest Man to my collection. Will listen to your interview too.
I agree with your analysis of “woke” and would add that, not only is it part of US imperialism, it’s also used in a profoundly “Ugly American” way in certain instances. What does that possibly achieve? [edit: except to signal alignment with globalist values]
Thanks for the link! I will MAKE the time to wade through it.
Great podcast. I've obtained the book. I can't help feeling that Congress has largely lost the skills necessary to run investigations. It is an expertise that they need to revive.
I would recommend to anyone who has not done so to obtain a copy of A SEASON OF INQUIRY - REVISITED - COPY RIGHT 29015THE CHURCH COMMITTEE CONFRONTS AMERICA'S SPY AGENCIES REVISITED. BY LOCK K JOHNSON
He originally wrote and released the book in 1984 and revised this one released it in 2015. Mr Johnson was a special assistant to the Chair of the Senate Select Committee House Subcommittee on Intelligence 1975 to 1976. See his wiki for the basic bio.
This volume sheds light on the dark undercurrents that surrounded the Church and Pike committees and the volune is extremely enlightening.
Read it or you miss out!
Thanks Jefferson.
as hey Zeus de Jesus he is not Risin
oh Risen(not) fails in the end ZERO respect sorry gone to us, only. a liar of simpleton could believe in SBT singularity no one at this level could be so ignorant even FIB's Hoover as L'BJ didn't believe nor For s eye sin hour you've been Intercepted ...as Lardner's fat chewing ,ws going to buy book cant now in final analysis. taints all perception in minds well mind swell
"Military Medical Industrial Intell Congressional Complex Error Education Repressed Religion', no wonder elephants afraid
great interview thanks sharing with al who claim to wish to remain willfully ignorant, Cheney no church man but fully of WAReligiosity prophet4profit
mirrors not mansions but yes alas "man-shuns" man huns
Sully vans trip to Cheneys hunting ground