as always Jefferson is right on point, and has done a masterful job of reconciling many services. HOWEVER - I wish he would not concede that Oswald may have fired a shot at JFK and may have killed Tippit. There is literally no evidence that he was firing from the sixth floor or that he had even fired a weapon that day. The TIppit shooting is similarly full of holes. To keep saying there is a chance that Oswald did these things is like looking for a way out of exonerating LHO. There is no need to do this - we just don't make claims without solid evidence, and there is none in those two circumstances.
Exactly. I think the Oswald double(s) feels like an intelligence operation and one of the aspects of the case that needs to be looked into more seriously.
Those enemies, both in and around the U.S. Federal Government were numerous to be sure.
I could not agree more about this. Think about JFK and his plan to deviate from the unwritten or publicized doctrine of Pax Americana. Which included, I might point out, dissolving the CIA.
Motive, method and means that CIA certainly was aware of. They went all in and then Oswald survived long enough to create a controversy.
Robert, you make a very valid point.. I recently read somewhere that the mafia was a business organization I would say that would make them risk vs reward To take out Kennedy would probably be a higher risk
The big hit to the mob came at the raid of the Appalachian conference in 57 And yesr RFK had a big hand in that.
A lot of Valachi's testimony was against a lot of former mobsters though he certainly testified against current ones By the way the book about Valachi is a fascinating one
If you read the laws RFK got passed in the Congress that year they probably affected non mafia criminals more than Mob ones Yes, I am sure the mob got money from those guys but they could always find a quick replacement
What was not in those bills was a law permitting wiretapping
Remember it also took 4 attempts to get Hoffa, who though not mob was certainly close to them
Also they never really wner t after Rudy who convicted a lot of them
As far as Castro they, of course wanted their business back in Cuba I think the mob would have come up with better ideas than poison pens like a bullet to the back of the head
Very good interview..There are a couple things I question
First of all I believe Trump signed off releasing The files for his own reasons He has never done anything other than that. Plus he went after the intelligence community pretty hard at the beginning of his administration This stuff would be beneficial to him
I have always believed the mafia's involvement has bee overblown I read a piece one time that a mafia person was quoted as saying the mafia doesn't use long guns That's not saying they didn't have people who were snipes but I think it highly unlikely
I've always thought Roselli was a bit of a pretty boy
The mafia would have eventually got Castro on their own
They had reason to dislike RFK but I don't think JFK was that big of deal to them
WMG, I differ on the topic of Mob involvement. When one dives into the one individual that played an incredible role in the events following 11/22/63, Jack Ruby (Rubenstein), a known Mob associate of Sam Giancana, the involvement in Oswald’s death is irrefutable! In May of 2020, on this site, a GW Hicks posted several times as someone who had ‘first person’ contact with Jack Ruby, a friend to his Mother. He states that days before 11/22/63, Jack Ruby purchased and delivered a television to the Hicks household and instructed them to watch the Presidential Parade. There is an incredible history to be written on Jack Ruby. His was not a solo act, but one for Sam, Carlos and Santos, I believe.
I would argue that the key thing with having Oswald as a patsy would be getting him into the Texas School Book Depository job in the first place, not instructing him to act as a shooter. Similarly with photos from Mexico City: if you can place a wiry, medium height guy with dark hair around the embassies and get photos that are practically indistinguishable from Oswald, but are of an impersonator, that's enough, along with all the previous work to portray him as a Marxist radical and fan of Castro.
This is a thought provoking article. Is it possible to not be incompetent or inefficient and still have something occur which should have been prevented by somebody? If Oswald had several facades, is it not possible that those he is now associated with also may have had several facades including some currently discounted. Is it possible the first viewpoint provided by whoever directed its exposure might have been closer to the truth than now considered. There were multiple shooters. There was and is resistance to releasing relevant information. The CIA is one organization which is not forthcoming. There is resistance to identifying Secret Service difficulties in Butler, too.
This is such an incredible article Jeff. Thank you once again for bringing and keeping attention to this heinous crime. Your reporting, and narration of this event is steadfast and true.
On so many levels.
I hope the American people will finally learn the essential truth about JFK’s violent assassination.
I don’t believe there will ever be a tell all book so to speak from the agency. Probably all of the important operatives involved, or people who knew enough damaging, incriminating first hand information have now passed away.
The time for questioning any of these people for first hand accounts and information is gone.
And my guess is that’s by design.
I believe that the leadership of the CIA hoped that denying repeatedly and unequivocally any connection to Oswald, or Kennedy’s death would help to bury this tragedy deep into America’s past.
With the hope being that through the passage of time, an aging populace from 1963, and the Lone Nut fairytale, Americans would grow tired of this controversy and move on.
And the CIA’s liability in John Kennedy’s assassination would disappear with all the destroyed evidence, thwarted investigations and loss of people who knew too much.
But this tragedy will not go away.
Because it was basically a coup that violently removed a popular president.
And the fabricated story just had too many loose ends.
Yet, In spite of the CIAs long term goals, I believe there are and have been many influential, dedicated professionals within the agency who are truly patriotic and love their country. These people know enough about what happened on November 22, 1963.
They may not have all the evidence associated with the crime. But they may have enough safeguarded.
Perhaps they are the silent witnesses to a crime that did not have any direct involvement with, yet detested and vehemently opposed.
It’s quite possible that this group of people have quietly and secretly documented their disagreements. In accordance with their conscience and personal safety.
Maybe they collected and squirreled away important, incriminating pieces of evidence for for posterity.
With the hope of having a truth filled and deeper reveal of what exactly happened and why. When the time is right.
I just left you a nice little note at the Whistleblower Cites Explosive Document and Describes the CIA's Secret JFK Archives.
What a joke "we just don't make claims without solid evidence, and there is none in those two circumstances." Absolute baloney coming from the guy who used the old Israeli fall back cliche calling me an anti-semite for what I wrote about Israels attempt obtain nuclear weapons.
So far I have no respect for your opinions and I'm not seeing any chance of that changing in the future. I rather enjoy your wallowing in the agony of denial Bubba. Life is tough and it's even tougher if you are stupid, ignorant of the truth or simply demand to stay in denial.
First of all I first started question the Warren commission in late 69 when I read a piece in the late 60's and then read Mark Lane's Rush to Judgement that summer along with other books on it
I am a believer in Daniel Patrick Moynihans Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not everyone is entitle to his own facts This is not aimed at you by the way
I just read an article on Tangle about questioning misinformation and lies
Over the years there have been so many stories and testimonies come out on the assassination. Some of them are easily seen as false Others bear some investigation.
If there is no corroborating testimony I question it. I have never seen any on this one though I am open to being proved wrong
People say Roselli was killed weeks before his second testimony because they didn't want him to talk about the assassination though he had already testified The man who ordered the hit, Anthony Acardo, one of the top people in the Chicago mob (A little side note Acardo was the grandfather of the Bosa brothers as well as a couple of their cousins who played in the NFL) He ordered the hit because he said Roselli was starting to embarrass the mob
Jack Ruby was originally connected with the Chicago Ironworkers Union and through them the mob It was believed he was a bagman for the union and maybe the mob
Do I believe Ruby was assisted Yep But I think it was too messy for the mob I think it was more than likely the Dallas police. They had reason I think there is an outside possibility it was the CIA
The Mafia would be third on my list
By the way Dorothy Kilgallon said she had a private interview with Ruby and was going to blow the case wide open She never had a private interview with Ruby
My big question would be why didn't anyone kill any or all of the doctors? They are, by far the most dangerous to the CIA They saw the physical evidence
WMG, IMHO, if all of the Doctors were eliminated, JEH could not have contained the ‘blowback’ of the ‘American public’ the same population that Assistant AG Katzenbach referred to when he stated, “the American Public must believe that Oswald is the lone assassin.”
as always Jefferson is right on point, and has done a masterful job of reconciling many services. HOWEVER - I wish he would not concede that Oswald may have fired a shot at JFK and may have killed Tippit. There is literally no evidence that he was firing from the sixth floor or that he had even fired a weapon that day. The TIppit shooting is similarly full of holes. To keep saying there is a chance that Oswald did these things is like looking for a way out of exonerating LHO. There is no need to do this - we just don't make claims without solid evidence, and there is none in those two circumstances.
Exactly. I think the Oswald double(s) feels like an intelligence operation and one of the aspects of the case that needs to be looked into more seriously.
" . . by enemies in his own government . . "
Those enemies, both in and around the U.S. Federal Government were numerous to be sure.
I could not agree more about this. Think about JFK and his plan to deviate from the unwritten or publicized doctrine of Pax Americana. Which included, I might point out, dissolving the CIA.
Motive, method and means that CIA certainly was aware of. They went all in and then Oswald survived long enough to create a controversy.
Robert, you make a very valid point.. I recently read somewhere that the mafia was a business organization I would say that would make them risk vs reward To take out Kennedy would probably be a higher risk
The big hit to the mob came at the raid of the Appalachian conference in 57 And yesr RFK had a big hand in that.
A lot of Valachi's testimony was against a lot of former mobsters though he certainly testified against current ones By the way the book about Valachi is a fascinating one
If you read the laws RFK got passed in the Congress that year they probably affected non mafia criminals more than Mob ones Yes, I am sure the mob got money from those guys but they could always find a quick replacement
What was not in those bills was a law permitting wiretapping
Remember it also took 4 attempts to get Hoffa, who though not mob was certainly close to them
Also they never really wner t after Rudy who convicted a lot of them
As far as Castro they, of course wanted their business back in Cuba I think the mob would have come up with better ideas than poison pens like a bullet to the back of the head
Just an amazing Q&A. The country will get there somehow some day.
Very good interview..There are a couple things I question
First of all I believe Trump signed off releasing The files for his own reasons He has never done anything other than that. Plus he went after the intelligence community pretty hard at the beginning of his administration This stuff would be beneficial to him
I have always believed the mafia's involvement has bee overblown I read a piece one time that a mafia person was quoted as saying the mafia doesn't use long guns That's not saying they didn't have people who were snipes but I think it highly unlikely
I've always thought Roselli was a bit of a pretty boy
The mafia would have eventually got Castro on their own
They had reason to dislike RFK but I don't think JFK was that big of deal to them
WMG, I differ on the topic of Mob involvement. When one dives into the one individual that played an incredible role in the events following 11/22/63, Jack Ruby (Rubenstein), a known Mob associate of Sam Giancana, the involvement in Oswald’s death is irrefutable! In May of 2020, on this site, a GW Hicks posted several times as someone who had ‘first person’ contact with Jack Ruby, a friend to his Mother. He states that days before 11/22/63, Jack Ruby purchased and delivered a television to the Hicks household and instructed them to watch the Presidential Parade. There is an incredible history to be written on Jack Ruby. His was not a solo act, but one for Sam, Carlos and Santos, I believe.
Two questions. Why didn't the mafia get Castro?
Why would the mafia not go after the guy who appointed RFK.
I have answer to that second question! Someone sure as hell wanted his dead and dead he ended up!
One of your best posts ever!
I would argue that the key thing with having Oswald as a patsy would be getting him into the Texas School Book Depository job in the first place, not instructing him to act as a shooter. Similarly with photos from Mexico City: if you can place a wiry, medium height guy with dark hair around the embassies and get photos that are practically indistinguishable from Oswald, but are of an impersonator, that's enough, along with all the previous work to portray him as a Marxist radical and fan of Castro.
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/part-5-of-6-the-rifle-and-the-ammunition
^^^^^ Part 5 of a 6 part series assemblying evidence and considerations tending to exculpate Oswald
as a shooter of JFK.
And a three part series of articles about the likely framing of Oswald as Tippit's killer:
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/how-oswald-was-framed-for-the-murder-of-tippit
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/how-oswald-was-framed-for-the-murder-of-tippit-part-2
^^^^^
"The Oswald double" factor - if there was one able to be used in Texas, why not in Mexico City?
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/how-oswald-was-framed-for-the-murder-of-tippit-part-3
Again, this is great stuff with many implications for further research, thanks.
This is a thought provoking article. Is it possible to not be incompetent or inefficient and still have something occur which should have been prevented by somebody? If Oswald had several facades, is it not possible that those he is now associated with also may have had several facades including some currently discounted. Is it possible the first viewpoint provided by whoever directed its exposure might have been closer to the truth than now considered. There were multiple shooters. There was and is resistance to releasing relevant information. The CIA is one organization which is not forthcoming. There is resistance to identifying Secret Service difficulties in Butler, too.
This is such an incredible article Jeff. Thank you once again for bringing and keeping attention to this heinous crime. Your reporting, and narration of this event is steadfast and true.
On so many levels.
I hope the American people will finally learn the essential truth about JFK’s violent assassination.
I don’t believe there will ever be a tell all book so to speak from the agency. Probably all of the important operatives involved, or people who knew enough damaging, incriminating first hand information have now passed away.
The time for questioning any of these people for first hand accounts and information is gone.
And my guess is that’s by design.
I believe that the leadership of the CIA hoped that denying repeatedly and unequivocally any connection to Oswald, or Kennedy’s death would help to bury this tragedy deep into America’s past.
With the hope being that through the passage of time, an aging populace from 1963, and the Lone Nut fairytale, Americans would grow tired of this controversy and move on.
And the CIA’s liability in John Kennedy’s assassination would disappear with all the destroyed evidence, thwarted investigations and loss of people who knew too much.
But this tragedy will not go away.
Because it was basically a coup that violently removed a popular president.
And the fabricated story just had too many loose ends.
Yet, In spite of the CIAs long term goals, I believe there are and have been many influential, dedicated professionals within the agency who are truly patriotic and love their country. These people know enough about what happened on November 22, 1963.
They may not have all the evidence associated with the crime. But they may have enough safeguarded.
Perhaps they are the silent witnesses to a crime that did not have any direct involvement with, yet detested and vehemently opposed.
It’s quite possible that this group of people have quietly and secretly documented their disagreements. In accordance with their conscience and personal safety.
Maybe they collected and squirreled away important, incriminating pieces of evidence for for posterity.
With the hope of having a truth filled and deeper reveal of what exactly happened and why. When the time is right.
The truth may very well win in the end.
Allen, ma brother at it again are you?.
I just left you a nice little note at the Whistleblower Cites Explosive Document and Describes the CIA's Secret JFK Archives.
What a joke "we just don't make claims without solid evidence, and there is none in those two circumstances." Absolute baloney coming from the guy who used the old Israeli fall back cliche calling me an anti-semite for what I wrote about Israels attempt obtain nuclear weapons.
So far I have no respect for your opinions and I'm not seeing any chance of that changing in the future. I rather enjoy your wallowing in the agony of denial Bubba. Life is tough and it's even tougher if you are stupid, ignorant of the truth or simply demand to stay in denial.
Dog give me strength.
Great work Jeff & company.
Where can I find the interview with Jeff and the Garrison investigator? I’m interested in the French Security Service view
But on the other hand if they eliminated one or two of them very good chance the doctors may have kept their mouths shut
Big dilemma. Time might tell
What was that about all the mirrors again:>)
I also remember reading somewhere Ruby may not have been of totally sound mind. Who knows
Eldon
First of all I first started question the Warren commission in late 69 when I read a piece in the late 60's and then read Mark Lane's Rush to Judgement that summer along with other books on it
I am a believer in Daniel Patrick Moynihans Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not everyone is entitle to his own facts This is not aimed at you by the way
I just read an article on Tangle about questioning misinformation and lies
Over the years there have been so many stories and testimonies come out on the assassination. Some of them are easily seen as false Others bear some investigation.
If there is no corroborating testimony I question it. I have never seen any on this one though I am open to being proved wrong
People say Roselli was killed weeks before his second testimony because they didn't want him to talk about the assassination though he had already testified The man who ordered the hit, Anthony Acardo, one of the top people in the Chicago mob (A little side note Acardo was the grandfather of the Bosa brothers as well as a couple of their cousins who played in the NFL) He ordered the hit because he said Roselli was starting to embarrass the mob
Jack Ruby was originally connected with the Chicago Ironworkers Union and through them the mob It was believed he was a bagman for the union and maybe the mob
Do I believe Ruby was assisted Yep But I think it was too messy for the mob I think it was more than likely the Dallas police. They had reason I think there is an outside possibility it was the CIA
The Mafia would be third on my list
By the way Dorothy Kilgallon said she had a private interview with Ruby and was going to blow the case wide open She never had a private interview with Ruby
My big question would be why didn't anyone kill any or all of the doctors? They are, by far the most dangerous to the CIA They saw the physical evidence
WMG, IMHO, if all of the Doctors were eliminated, JEH could not have contained the ‘blowback’ of the ‘American public’ the same population that Assistant AG Katzenbach referred to when he stated, “the American Public must believe that Oswald is the lone assassin.”
Great interview!!
It's a great article, I did also read it in Danish earlier. Kudos to him for covering you.
But — good luck getting Rose to speak up against Israel ...