Definitely one of the most fascinating editions of an always thought-provoking podcast. I recently re-listened to Jeff's interview from last year with the creators of American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders. Much of that discussion, which highlighted the intermingling of the IC with the drug trade, dovetails nicely with the points Aaron Good makes.
Great interview. I would like to see more of an investigation into the other institutions involved with the Kennedy assassination beyond the CIA and FBI and the Mob. FYI, my Uncle, who was head of the FBIs Washington Bureau and caught the Watergate Burglars, lived next to Jack Anderson.
I listened to the discussion and found it very interesting but possibly a bridge too far in some areas. First I acknowledge I do not have the expertise of Jeff Morley or Aaron Good. However I find the speculations regarding Israel to be a bit much. Particularly when we have an abundance of evidence or information suggesting the JFK plot had numerous tentacles of CIA/FBI/mob/anti-Castro Cubans/Joint Chiefs/Dallas Police and God knows what else. I recognize Israel may connect in some ways but I believe they are far from root cause. What I do agree with and find most disturbing is “the Regime” living outside the rules and in perpetuity. Not needing to follow the law. We know Angleton is quoted as stating “It is inconceivable that a secret arm of the government has to comply with all the overt orders of the government.” Also disturbing is the fact that most likely we have moved on to a new generation of secret keepers since this crime ( just one of many) was 61 years ago. I am probably naive in that I still hold out hope that Patel/Gabbard/Ratcliffe and ultimately Trump will fulfill the commitment to expose the records or what portion they can. I don’t think Trump wants to appear weak and have to explain why he fails to follow thru on promise #2. Using the same excuse as last time won’t fly. Interesting times.
To clarify, I don't think Israel was the root cause or the leading conspiratorial faction. I believe that JFK's assassination was overdetermined. I surmise that the highest-ranking actors in the regime who were part of the operation were likely military brass and others who had control of the "Doomsday network," aka Continuity of Government.
But I do believe that the Syndicate was involved--most obviously with Jack Ruby--and that the Lansky/Teamster Syndicate was much more closely tied to Zionism than has been understood. And I think that these Zionist-aligned forces have used Dallas (and knowledge of other deep state crimes) to essentially blackmail the US over the years.
Hey Aaron! For clarification's sake, when you say Zionist(s), what specifically are you referring to? I get the impression you're referencing the Israeli state government or their own nationalistic actors within it, but i just wanted to be sure i understand you correctly.
Also, i appreciate your analysis of American Mafia and it's relationship with the CIA. It's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends. However, i haven't read much scholarship that ties Lansky directly to parties of the Israeli state. I'm curious what you came across that spurred this line of thinking. It's my understanding that while Lanksy was a core, starting member of the Mafia Commission, he was prohibited from full participation within the group because he wasn't Sicilian. Given this, it would make sense to me that he'd find pathways to express influence with individuals with whom he had a tribal understanding (i.e., other Jews who also participated in empire systems). I'm open to the idea!
Also, thank you for the work you're doing! I'm a big fan of your podcast and i suspect we share similar political ideologies :)
In the broadest sense, Zionists are people who believe that there must be a "Jewish state." There are Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists. In the US, there are many regular Jewish people who are Zionists. And there are many Christians (especially Evangelicals) who are Zionists. In terms of the deep (oligarchic) politics in the Anglo-America, notable Zionists include the Bronfmans, the Adelsons, Henry Crown, Hank Greenspun, Lewis Rosenstiel, Meyer Lansky, Robert Maxwell, Bruce Rappaport, Jeffrey Epstein, Richard Perle, Scooter Libby, etc. Jimmy Hoffa wasn't Jewish, but he was a big supporter of Zionism--likely due to Lansky and other Zionist mobsters. Don't forget LBJ, Dick Cheney, and Joe Biden!
This is why trying to argue that the US controls Israel--or vice versa--is silly. The issue in the US is that real political power is controlled by wealthy oligarchs (of different persuasions) who do most of their shady dealings in secret through various cut-outs, etc.
Zionism has played a huge role in establishing neocon imperial lunacy as foreign policy orthodoxy. I'd say it's likely that ultra-Zionist "Greater Israel" noecons in the US are the driving force for these 21st century disasters, but they have comrades in various hard right-wing militarist/imperialist circles.
People who research JFK nee to try and answer the question that Peter Dale Scott posed in deep politics: Why did the HSCA (esp. Blakey) decide to blame the mafia for Dallas using Hoover's and the FBN's contrived Italian mafia model and totally ignoring RFK's Enemy Within theses re: the Syndicate and all of its Teamster connections--especially considering that Hoffa was dead by the time the HSCA convened?
I suspect that the Lanksy/Hoffa connection to Israel is part of the reason. Ruby's ties to the Lansky and the Teamsters are so blatant. By including the Syndicate in the Dallas plot, the plotters (probably Angleton) gave the Israelis a very powerful piece of leverage to use as blackmail. Is that why the 67 War happened like it did--in stark contrast to the 1956 Suez Crisis?
Definitely one of the most fascinating editions of an always thought-provoking podcast. I recently re-listened to Jeff's interview from last year with the creators of American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders. Much of that discussion, which highlighted the intermingling of the IC with the drug trade, dovetails nicely with the points Aaron Good makes.
Great interview. I would like to see more of an investigation into the other institutions involved with the Kennedy assassination beyond the CIA and FBI and the Mob. FYI, my Uncle, who was head of the FBIs Washington Bureau and caught the Watergate Burglars, lived next to Jack Anderson.
Great interview Jeff! It’s very reassuring to know there’s another generation taking up the cause.
Excellent show! Many thanks to Aaron and Jeff. I agree with Aaron on Angleton 100%
I listened to the discussion and found it very interesting but possibly a bridge too far in some areas. First I acknowledge I do not have the expertise of Jeff Morley or Aaron Good. However I find the speculations regarding Israel to be a bit much. Particularly when we have an abundance of evidence or information suggesting the JFK plot had numerous tentacles of CIA/FBI/mob/anti-Castro Cubans/Joint Chiefs/Dallas Police and God knows what else. I recognize Israel may connect in some ways but I believe they are far from root cause. What I do agree with and find most disturbing is “the Regime” living outside the rules and in perpetuity. Not needing to follow the law. We know Angleton is quoted as stating “It is inconceivable that a secret arm of the government has to comply with all the overt orders of the government.” Also disturbing is the fact that most likely we have moved on to a new generation of secret keepers since this crime ( just one of many) was 61 years ago. I am probably naive in that I still hold out hope that Patel/Gabbard/Ratcliffe and ultimately Trump will fulfill the commitment to expose the records or what portion they can. I don’t think Trump wants to appear weak and have to explain why he fails to follow thru on promise #2. Using the same excuse as last time won’t fly. Interesting times.
To clarify, I don't think Israel was the root cause or the leading conspiratorial faction. I believe that JFK's assassination was overdetermined. I surmise that the highest-ranking actors in the regime who were part of the operation were likely military brass and others who had control of the "Doomsday network," aka Continuity of Government.
But I do believe that the Syndicate was involved--most obviously with Jack Ruby--and that the Lansky/Teamster Syndicate was much more closely tied to Zionism than has been understood. And I think that these Zionist-aligned forces have used Dallas (and knowledge of other deep state crimes) to essentially blackmail the US over the years.
Hey Aaron! For clarification's sake, when you say Zionist(s), what specifically are you referring to? I get the impression you're referencing the Israeli state government or their own nationalistic actors within it, but i just wanted to be sure i understand you correctly.
Also, i appreciate your analysis of American Mafia and it's relationship with the CIA. It's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends. However, i haven't read much scholarship that ties Lansky directly to parties of the Israeli state. I'm curious what you came across that spurred this line of thinking. It's my understanding that while Lanksy was a core, starting member of the Mafia Commission, he was prohibited from full participation within the group because he wasn't Sicilian. Given this, it would make sense to me that he'd find pathways to express influence with individuals with whom he had a tribal understanding (i.e., other Jews who also participated in empire systems). I'm open to the idea!
Also, thank you for the work you're doing! I'm a big fan of your podcast and i suspect we share similar political ideologies :)
In the broadest sense, Zionists are people who believe that there must be a "Jewish state." There are Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists. In the US, there are many regular Jewish people who are Zionists. And there are many Christians (especially Evangelicals) who are Zionists. In terms of the deep (oligarchic) politics in the Anglo-America, notable Zionists include the Bronfmans, the Adelsons, Henry Crown, Hank Greenspun, Lewis Rosenstiel, Meyer Lansky, Robert Maxwell, Bruce Rappaport, Jeffrey Epstein, Richard Perle, Scooter Libby, etc. Jimmy Hoffa wasn't Jewish, but he was a big supporter of Zionism--likely due to Lansky and other Zionist mobsters. Don't forget LBJ, Dick Cheney, and Joe Biden!
This is why trying to argue that the US controls Israel--or vice versa--is silly. The issue in the US is that real political power is controlled by wealthy oligarchs (of different persuasions) who do most of their shady dealings in secret through various cut-outs, etc.
Zionism has played a huge role in establishing neocon imperial lunacy as foreign policy orthodoxy. I'd say it's likely that ultra-Zionist "Greater Israel" noecons in the US are the driving force for these 21st century disasters, but they have comrades in various hard right-wing militarist/imperialist circles.
People who research JFK nee to try and answer the question that Peter Dale Scott posed in deep politics: Why did the HSCA (esp. Blakey) decide to blame the mafia for Dallas using Hoover's and the FBN's contrived Italian mafia model and totally ignoring RFK's Enemy Within theses re: the Syndicate and all of its Teamster connections--especially considering that Hoffa was dead by the time the HSCA convened?
I suspect that the Lanksy/Hoffa connection to Israel is part of the reason. Ruby's ties to the Lansky and the Teamsters are so blatant. By including the Syndicate in the Dallas plot, the plotters (probably Angleton) gave the Israelis a very powerful piece of leverage to use as blackmail. Is that why the 67 War happened like it did--in stark contrast to the 1956 Suez Crisis?