What is the point of airing something like that? We know all the stuff he's talked about with Ferry and Ruby and the mob. He's basically read the same books we have. And it's a complete myth by the way about the Illinois election and it has been proven Through research that there was no fix to help Kennedy, that he didn't need it, and he would've won the election anyway. But I find this kind of general disinformation discouraging. It's news that they think Ruby was connected? People have been writing about that for about 50 years. Every time I hear one of these mob or ex mob guys talk about the JFK assassination it's all based on nothing but, once again, what they've read. They have no special insight or no special knowledge. You might as well have me on.
This gets pretty frustrating try to write responses and having them simply disappear from the screen. Just happened as I wrote a rather lengthy response to Eldon Krugman.
I'm pretty pissed off right now. At the very least I could have been allowed to finish before it disappeared.
When you pull out a man's tongue you are telling the world you fear what he has to say.
George R.R. Martin
That said I also have this to say I live with 20 miles of a Homeland Security Fusion Site and they know who I am because I worked with some who worked there before I retired.
Now let us all say this together,, F*&^ Trump and his K%$bler elf buddy!
Ya' ll best get ready to take your country back!
Eldon I tried and I might try it again, it seems the second shift on.Sunday evenings at the comms center there have nothing better to do than to look for security risks.
My advice is they tap into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. BTW On those JFK files, don't hold yer breath. I wish I had better news.
Certainly there is risk for all of us! THANK YOU for your efforts and insight. ZERO trust in the current clown show, not the Country that I gave service to! MAY GOODNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS PREVAIL! NO MONARCHY! NO DICTATORSHIP!
I'd say Louis Ferrante has a point, the Mob was plenty pissed, blended with his knowledge and motives.
No doubt in my mind that some Pro Cuban AntiCastro Cubans would go all in for Cuba and the Mob. Hell some Cubans had to be working for Mob Bosses loyal or being blackmailed by CIA if no one else.
The Mob had motive to be involved having lost millions to Castro's actions. They and the pro Cuba Cuban's had a visceral hate for both Kennedy's and would have gotten the same pleasure.
I simply believe both were likely involved and I believe the CIA used them. Why would it not? The CIA had serious problems with JFK both ideologically and because of CIA involvement with USAEC, missing Special Nuclear Materials and his anti-nuke stand for Israel. Like it or not these were two really large issues CIA had with JFK and plenty of motive to see him dead.
CIA's standing idly by while the hit goes down. John and Robert made serious numbers of very dangerous enemies is a very short time. Both paid for their naivete', the result of that East Coast Exceptionality they died.
No matter what CIA needed JFK dead more than any of the other groups and once it happened and RFK decided to run for President, and was very popular, he had to go also.
J Edgar had plenty of other issues, physical and mental!
Thanks for this: great conversation and insight into the "Mob Mentality" IMO. Sure it's speculative, but informed by thorough research and a lifetime of direct experience with associates of the principals involved. After hearing Ferrante's take on Jimmy Files I'm inclined to suspect that Files' confession was a false diversion ordered by his bosses in Chicago, given the high level of credible specificity he shared including the use of the "Fireball" from behind the picket fence, and the detailed information about Charles Nicoletti's role as a shooter from the Dal-Tex Building. If he was who he said he was he never would've shared all that, even after all that time. What seems most likely is that neither one of them was actually involved, that somebody else fired the fatal shot from the Grassy Knoll (Roscoe White? Lucien Sarti? Ed Hoffman said he saw the shooter hand the rifle to an accomplice before he walked away...), and that Eugene Hale Brading may well have been the shooter from the Dal-Tex Building (or at least knew for sure who was)...
I must hear this podcast still but wanted to add a memory of a speaker that was unnamed or off-schedule in a JFK Lancer conference years ago. (He spoke during the lunch hour - I grabbed a sandwich to go so I could listen to him). He was a former lawyer from the Justice department in Chicago, maybe a former prosecutor. He recalls a meeting that took place between JFK's father and a union rep (if not a mobster chief like Giancana), at a government location, as neutral territory for Joseph Kennedy. Supposedly, the subject of the meeting was to garner support from the rank and file to help JFK win in the election. After the assassination, this lawyer mentioned that meeting and that maybe they should look into the case from the perspective of organized crime, but he was encouraged by his colleagues not to go down that route for fear of repercussions from the Outfit (a word Giancana used).
I wrote that speaker's name in my program book and took notes, but they are buried/filed somewhere in my own archives.
I don't believe the assassination was just a Mob hit, but there may have been some help by them.
Jerry when you think about it the 'Outfit' could have been tailor made to , at least in some respects, work logistics for CIA Ops. They have a method to their madness that works or did and people everywhere. This shouldn't be the least bit surprising.
REWJ, this post must be considered “here say” as my contractor BFF chooses to remain anonymous. Per a now deceased career agent who was present at Marilyn Monroe’s post-mortem AND Dallas 11/22/63, the Mob wanted Cuba back and their efforts to “peacefully” convince JFK to remove Castro had been unsuccessful. This individual boasted that “we took care of him!” This individual loved President Ronald Reagan.
REWJ and GS, two of my faves, please explore Daniel Sheehan. He paints a picture of a self-funded CIA, beginning in the 1950’s, harvesting Poppies in the Bermudan Triangle, processing into heroin by the Corsican Mafia, delivering to Cuba and then delivering to various points in the USA. IT IS DOWNRIGHT FRIGHTENING!
A recent Google search brings up the name “Jack Allen Lawrence” as the Storm Drain shooter. The story, “recently hired as a Car Salesman, days before the assassination, he borrowed a car from the car dealership. He returned to the car dealership following the assassination, muddy and vomiting. He had left the car parked at Dealey Plaza. He did not return to the dealership.” Supposedly he was an excellent marksman, who served in the Air Force. Anyone have more on Mr. Lawrence?
GS, your grasp of the subject at hand synchronizes with my own conclusions. It’s a multi-faceted, multi-layered sad story confirming a gargantuan conspiracy, strengthening the government-within-a-government narrative! A lot of headway was gained in this exchange, we still need a name on the shooter that Jack Ruby inserted into the Storm Drain on Elm Street. Great show!
Louis has taken care of himself and must have some pretty good genes. Pretty damned sharp at his age of what, 82-83. Great stamina, did he ever take a drink of water?
He makes some really legitimate points based on knowledge of the Mop system.
I did say here my ears were tired. Some where along the line I thought I hear Louis say he was was around 19 - 20 years old during the time period JFK got wacked?
What is the point of airing something like that? We know all the stuff he's talked about with Ferry and Ruby and the mob. He's basically read the same books we have. And it's a complete myth by the way about the Illinois election and it has been proven Through research that there was no fix to help Kennedy, that he didn't need it, and he would've won the election anyway. But I find this kind of general disinformation discouraging. It's news that they think Ruby was connected? People have been writing about that for about 50 years. Every time I hear one of these mob or ex mob guys talk about the JFK assassination it's all based on nothing but, once again, what they've read. They have no special insight or no special knowledge. You might as well have me on.
This gets pretty frustrating try to write responses and having them simply disappear from the screen. Just happened as I wrote a rather lengthy response to Eldon Krugman.
I'm pretty pissed off right now. At the very least I could have been allowed to finish before it disappeared.
When you pull out a man's tongue you are telling the world you fear what he has to say.
George R.R. Martin
That said I also have this to say I live with 20 miles of a Homeland Security Fusion Site and they know who I am because I worked with some who worked there before I retired.
Now let us all say this together,, F*&^ Trump and his K%$bler elf buddy!
Ya' ll best get ready to take your country back!
Eldon I tried and I might try it again, it seems the second shift on.Sunday evenings at the comms center there have nothing better to do than to look for security risks.
My advice is they tap into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. BTW On those JFK files, don't hold yer breath. I wish I had better news.
Did I mention I have a Hughes net satellite internet service.
Certainly there is risk for all of us! THANK YOU for your efforts and insight. ZERO trust in the current clown show, not the Country that I gave service to! MAY GOODNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS PREVAIL! NO MONARCHY! NO DICTATORSHIP!
I'd say Louis Ferrante has a point, the Mob was plenty pissed, blended with his knowledge and motives.
No doubt in my mind that some Pro Cuban AntiCastro Cubans would go all in for Cuba and the Mob. Hell some Cubans had to be working for Mob Bosses loyal or being blackmailed by CIA if no one else.
The Mob had motive to be involved having lost millions to Castro's actions. They and the pro Cuba Cuban's had a visceral hate for both Kennedy's and would have gotten the same pleasure.
I simply believe both were likely involved and I believe the CIA used them. Why would it not? The CIA had serious problems with JFK both ideologically and because of CIA involvement with USAEC, missing Special Nuclear Materials and his anti-nuke stand for Israel. Like it or not these were two really large issues CIA had with JFK and plenty of motive to see him dead.
CIA's standing idly by while the hit goes down. John and Robert made serious numbers of very dangerous enemies is a very short time. Both paid for their naivete', the result of that East Coast Exceptionality they died.
No matter what CIA needed JFK dead more than any of the other groups and once it happened and RFK decided to run for President, and was very popular, he had to go also.
J Edgar had plenty of other issues, physical and mental!
Thanks for this: great conversation and insight into the "Mob Mentality" IMO. Sure it's speculative, but informed by thorough research and a lifetime of direct experience with associates of the principals involved. After hearing Ferrante's take on Jimmy Files I'm inclined to suspect that Files' confession was a false diversion ordered by his bosses in Chicago, given the high level of credible specificity he shared including the use of the "Fireball" from behind the picket fence, and the detailed information about Charles Nicoletti's role as a shooter from the Dal-Tex Building. If he was who he said he was he never would've shared all that, even after all that time. What seems most likely is that neither one of them was actually involved, that somebody else fired the fatal shot from the Grassy Knoll (Roscoe White? Lucien Sarti? Ed Hoffman said he saw the shooter hand the rifle to an accomplice before he walked away...), and that Eugene Hale Brading may well have been the shooter from the Dal-Tex Building (or at least knew for sure who was)...
I must hear this podcast still but wanted to add a memory of a speaker that was unnamed or off-schedule in a JFK Lancer conference years ago. (He spoke during the lunch hour - I grabbed a sandwich to go so I could listen to him). He was a former lawyer from the Justice department in Chicago, maybe a former prosecutor. He recalls a meeting that took place between JFK's father and a union rep (if not a mobster chief like Giancana), at a government location, as neutral territory for Joseph Kennedy. Supposedly, the subject of the meeting was to garner support from the rank and file to help JFK win in the election. After the assassination, this lawyer mentioned that meeting and that maybe they should look into the case from the perspective of organized crime, but he was encouraged by his colleagues not to go down that route for fear of repercussions from the Outfit (a word Giancana used).
I wrote that speaker's name in my program book and took notes, but they are buried/filed somewhere in my own archives.
I don't believe the assassination was just a Mob hit, but there may have been some help by them.
Jerry when you think about it the 'Outfit' could have been tailor made to , at least in some respects, work logistics for CIA Ops. They have a method to their madness that works or did and people everywhere. This shouldn't be the least bit surprising.
Supposedly, the CIA's Bill Harvey knew or worked with hitmen for their regime change operations.
REWJ, this post must be considered “here say” as my contractor BFF chooses to remain anonymous. Per a now deceased career agent who was present at Marilyn Monroe’s post-mortem AND Dallas 11/22/63, the Mob wanted Cuba back and their efforts to “peacefully” convince JFK to remove Castro had been unsuccessful. This individual boasted that “we took care of him!” This individual loved President Ronald Reagan.
REWJ and GS, two of my faves, please explore Daniel Sheehan. He paints a picture of a self-funded CIA, beginning in the 1950’s, harvesting Poppies in the Bermudan Triangle, processing into heroin by the Corsican Mafia, delivering to Cuba and then delivering to various points in the USA. IT IS DOWNRIGHT FRIGHTENING!
A recent Google search brings up the name “Jack Allen Lawrence” as the Storm Drain shooter. The story, “recently hired as a Car Salesman, days before the assassination, he borrowed a car from the car dealership. He returned to the car dealership following the assassination, muddy and vomiting. He had left the car parked at Dealey Plaza. He did not return to the dealership.” Supposedly he was an excellent marksman, who served in the Air Force. Anyone have more on Mr. Lawrence?
That's right. I remember reading that somewhere. That is freaky.
GS, your grasp of the subject at hand synchronizes with my own conclusions. It’s a multi-faceted, multi-layered sad story confirming a gargantuan conspiracy, strengthening the government-within-a-government narrative! A lot of headway was gained in this exchange, we still need a name on the shooter that Jack Ruby inserted into the Storm Drain on Elm Street. Great show!
Louis has taken care of himself and must have some pretty good genes. Pretty damned sharp at his age of what, 82-83. Great stamina, did he ever take a drink of water?
He makes some really legitimate points based on knowledge of the Mop system.
Great stuff fellas.
The secrets words, " Protecting the CIA" Louis gets it right. But we all should know that.
At 45 minutes in I'm out. My ears are tired.
I did say here my ears were tired. Some where along the line I thought I hear Louis say he was was around 19 - 20 years old during the time period JFK got wacked?
I'm listening to it again right now.
Compartmentalize roles. The late John Judge once described the files as pieces of the mosaic. Plasable Deniability has ran it's course.