Too many sour grapes in this comment section. Who Killed JFK podcast is a great starting point for the initiated. If you've been following the JFK Assassination for 60 years you might not be impressed, but it's important for all of the folks that haven't.
What's with the grumpy comments? Why such disdain for what turned out to be a most successful podcast on JFK? What did Soledad and Rob do to deserve vitriol? Not sure what I'm missing, but similar to Jeff and Larry, I loved the podcast. Most of the information was well researched and truthful. The podcast brought a whole new generation up to speed on the down and dirty details that Soledad and Rob exposed so eloquently throughout the series. Thanks Jeff and Larry for an interesting interview. I'm off to listen to Murder On The Towpath!
Thanks, Rick! IMHO the tone is more than grumpy, it's sexist. And I am not surprised that there are few "vacuous" women who join in on these conversations. I am an admirer of Soledad and her work, recently executive producer of THE REBELLIOUS LIFE OF MRS. ROSA PARKS https://tribecafilm.com/films/rebellious-life-of-mrs-rosa-parks-2022
Rob Reiner, a class act, puts himself out there in an arena where anyone can take their potshots at him. The ten part podcast with two bonus sessions did not yield 12 home runs. Not sure that individual has been born yet? The conversation regarding where do Rob and Soledad take this in the future, I have a couple suggestions: (1) unravel the character Jack Rubinstein (Ruby), his connections to the Chicago mafia, Sam Giancana, any possible gun running operations of weapons to Israel through Cuba and his interactions in Dallas with the Hicks family. Did he truly purchase a television for the Hicks family, days before JFK’s visit and tell them to be watching? (2) What role, if any, did nuclear proliferation for a certain state in the Middle East play? (3) Possible role(s) of organized crime in the US and Internationally, especially the Corsican Mafia. Bobby Kennedy’s role in pursuing organized crime, Jimmy Hoffa and Carlos Marcelo in particular, plus the exposure of Lyndon Johnson’s travails with Bobby Baker. Still plenty of stones to turn over and expose the excrement. John Edgar Hoover could cover an entire series.
And jazz-rock fusion made millions for the Charlie Parker estate.
A tired, sterile fabrication used to sell worthless get-rich-quick schemes to the ignorati.
Take the box office and run, Rob and Soledad! And sleep soundly knowing that all you've really accomplished is preserving cover-up perpetuating doubt at the expense of justice.
Charles, you're not a misunderstood genius, you're a broken record. We get it, anyone trying to educate the masses is somehow misguided and ignorant of what you assume is the only righteous path forward.
So a suggestion: spend more time doing actual research, writing up your findings, etc. and less time trolling here and complaining about your fellow Americans who are also concerned that JFK's assassination has had long-lasting and ongoing repercussions.
Reiner and O'Brien shared a very well crafted podcast series with 5 million people. Get over yourself and recognize this is a good thing. And to state the obvious, you can always start your own podcast.
Reiner stated in this podcast General Charles Willoughby was the main organizer of the Assasination along with Bill Harvey. I trust Reiner knows why he said that but he doesnt tell give us much evidence. We need to know more about what evidence he has of this. Reiner says there was a Sixth Floor Shooter but it wasnt Oswald. Hello we need to know more. The podcast fails in this sense. Reiner opens a pandora box regarding who killed Kennedy and just leaves us on the side of the road. Reiner says there were four Assassins. He says he knows for a fact they were in Dallas on Nov 22. We wish Reiner had shared more of his vast knowledge on the Assassination. I think he failed to do what he set out to do. Reiner needs to come back on the podcast and further explain many things to listeners of this podcast. It does however take a lot ot guts to say what he does on his Who Killed Kennedy podcast.
While listening to the podcast, hearing each episode first thing on the day of release, I was overwhelmed by the amount of detail. This led me to pause and take detailed notes. Though I knew not what this would lead to, I ended up writing a nearly 9400 word "article." I tied in other information to emphasize the facts (and educated guesses), ending up with a written story that can be more deeply absorbed by interested parties, as opposed to a podcast. Out of respect for the work of Rob, Soledad, guests, and SOB Productions in total I have not shared it with anyone. I have placed a PDF version (easily printed) in a protected Dropbox folder and would very much like to share it, perhaps with Rob, Jefferson Morley, Dick Russell, and others. The story has broad interest, as shown by recent National Geographic and Paramount+ productions. The podcast is the opposite of what Jeff calls "...a lot of craziness" and I think this document compiles the information in a format where the information can be understood more deeply. I hope to be able to share it.
I am struggling to see if they helped, but I believe they did. Their marketing was dishonest and they made terrible statements such as there will never be a smoking gun. The smoking gun exists and it is there for the finding. Anyone can find it.
Knott Labratory has taken on a 3D digital forensic analysis of the assassination in Dealey Plaza. They are establishing bullet trajectories based on how JFK and Conley’s bodies were wounded by bullets that travelled in very straight paths, naturally not magically! They have a presentation scheduled in England in March, not sure of the date. John Orr, a former DOJ Attorney has contracted for this forensic analysis. Knott Labratory performed a digital forensic analysis on the accident that killed Princess Diana. Stay tuned.
Your penultimate and closing sentences are demonstrably correct. I put it somewhat more confrontationally:
"Anyone with reasonable access to the evidence who does not conclude that JFK was killed by criminal conspirators is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime."
Did Reiner move the needle? I think he did. His version is maybe the best and most worthwhile storytelling I know of.
But never forget Reiner’s version is sponsored by John Brennen the single most evil POS of the 21st century so far. Reiner’s telling is undoubtedly a “limited hangout” where many truths are conceded but bigger more critical lies are bolstered. Be on the lookout.
Here’s the link to Jeff Morley’s interview with Rob Reiner published by JFK Facts on November 23rd of last year. Brennan is discussed from 20:15 to 23:30 (The audio player is third rate and doesn’t really show the time stamp unless you hover the cursor over time bar).
Reiner ultimately describes a dinner with just four people, Reiner & wife and Brennan & wife. The impetus for Reiner’s JFK project seems to come from this dinner.
Thanks. Hilarious that Brennan was the impetus of the podcast, but headed the CIA and continued the stonewall and limited hangout of classified data on the assassination. He could have gone to Obama and authorized the release. Typical DC swamp creature.
You nailed it on the Brennen and limited hangout insights.
But the storytelling by Egreious and Ratty Lee is mile wide and inch deep as it it lurches over long-mapped terrain toward an undeclared goal.
How can one plan a route if if one does not have a destination?
Do you seriously value the histrionic, schoolyard babble of Howdy Broody and Buffalo Boob over the refined expressions of a James Douglass, the latter immeasurably enriched by the teller's profound understanding of story elements -- and their brilliantly crafted and sustained structure -- that date to the works of Homer?
Charles. You should pay attention to the comments here. Pay attention to how other people react to you. This web site isn't just a chalkboard for your insults. This is a community that engages in civil conversation. You're not doing that.
I pay close attention, a fact which should be obvious given my responses. I do not work to please correspondents. Never have, never will.
As for your call for "civil conversation", I remind you that neither that behavior nor tender mercies of any description were evident in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63. We are at war with JFK's killers and the systems that sustain them.
We control an arsenal of evidentiary "smoking guns". But we have failed to use them to return the fire of the assassins and their sponsors.
It is now clear to me that I have no place in your community. Accordingly, this reply will be my final public statement within it.
Give my best to legendary Soledad, to her superstar collaborator, and to their director Cardinal Brennan.
Charles. You're welcome in this community--if you treat everybody with a modicum of respect. Let me repeat that so you get the message: YOU ARE WELCOME IN THIS COMMUNITY--if you treat everybody with a modicum of respect.
It is clear to me that there are irreconcilable differences between our respective methodologies regarding how to move this case forward. Yet never doubt that, in the final analysis, I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you in the battles for truth and justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
So ... I wish you godspeed on your journey even as I bid farewell to its current stage.
Something about honey and vinegar. Hate to remind anyone, but if we are at war, the enemy is dead.
The biggest obstacle those seeking to solve the JFK murder was the ability to make the charge of “conspiracy theorist” stick and the number of people who made it possible. The current generation seems more willing to let documented facts do the talking.
Vacuous, historically ignorant, glorified morning chat show newsreader Soledad O'Brien, who once told her third-place audience about the battle of "TRAF-al-gar" as camera operators and crew shouted the correct pronunciation amid raucous laughter?
THAT Soledad O'Brien?
What the hell are you trying to sell, and why the hell are you trying to sell it?
Reiner and O'Brien are the Regis and Kathy Lee of Kennedy assassination poseurs. NOTHING more. They offer NOTHING new. NOTHING of any value whatsoever.
Their shooters "ID"doesn't pass the laugh test. Wise guy, two-in-the-hat Nicoletti???
Reiner and O'Brien amount to NOTHING other than de facto cover-up perpetuating, disinformation narcissists.
They attracted 5 million podcast listeners, bringing facts that’s old news to many of us to a new mainstream audience. By the power of their storytelling.
And jazz-rock fusion made millions for the Charlie Parker estate.
A tired, sterile fabrication used to sell worthless get-rich-quick schemes to the ignorati.
Take the box office and run, Rob and Soledad! And sleep soundly knowing that all you've really accomplished is preserving cover-up perpetuating doubt at the expense of justice.
Five million more "Clue" players -- cover-up uncertainty facilitators who are neurologically and emotionally incapable of grasping the concept of the moral responsibility to define and effect justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
Dude, I realize, according to your bio, your literary efforts seem most impressive. But jfc, you’re like Debbie Downer on steroids. Worse. You mistake pejoratives for argument. What do you add praytell?
If you read my extended work -- most recently published as the Afterword to H.P. Albarelli, Jr.'s masterful if unfinished "Coup in Dallas" -- your question will receive a significant introductory response.
The conspiracy-LN argument has been over for at least 40 years. The cover-up is rooted in doubt -- in maintenance of the endless declarations of the obvious with tones of discovery epitomized by the Groundhogs in the former camp.
And I will be goddamned if I join their chorus of Castrati!
Informed dismissal and savagely rhetorical ridicule are the only effective responses to the likes of Reiner and O'Brien and The King Chokeholder, who get fat presenting established fact as divine revelation. Their motives? I suspect, with reasons ranging from certain knowledge to informed opinion, greed, simplemindedness, ignorance, ego, perhaps clinical narcissistic personality disorder, learning disabilities, and/or substance abuse.
I reiterate for effect: We who know are obliged to move on so as to define and effect justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
For how can we plan a route if we do not have a destination?
I haven't the wisdom to conjure a comprehensive response to my plea. But I've got enough game to suggest opening moves. An example: my late '90s co-effort to create a JFK Truth and Amnesty Commission that alas was swiftly penetrated and eviscerated.
Revisiting is under serious consideration.
And then their are the fools who, with their law suits and petitions, choose to ask prime suspects to inculpate themselves.
There is more to tell and to learn. Much more.
But I leave you with this inescapable truth: Anyone with reasonable access to the evidence who does not conclude that JFK was killed by criminal conspirators is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime.
Jeff I appreciate any content you add but I'm going to have to respectfully decline from watching any more Obrien or Reiner content. They sold their souls on that podcast. In other words I know it's going to be a complete waste of my time.
"Liked / Upvoted" for expressing concisely what your basic attitude is on this, "we're all adults here" and this is serious business, no point in hemming and hawing just out of some misplaced desire to avoid confrontation - that kind of conflicting view might be a fast way to make progress - but with the severe, respectfully offered reservations that it leaves the heavily freighted terms "sold their souls on this" completely opaque!
That's awfully damning, and btw I am not stating anything about my own views on this particular topic either way, I will leave that for some other time, or maybe not expressed at all, but they will be what I actually believe, that's for sure.
At least offer a few paragraphs with broad (or very detailed, it's obviously your call) arguments and considerations - a useful distinction, that, since there may be relevant "considerations" that don't quite reach the level of easily defined premises and sound or at least highly plausible deductions from same - that explain what you mean, Corey!
Thanks in advance for any additional clarity you can supply.
EDIT: I really, really hope this doesn't turn out to be grounded essentially just in discomfort that O'Brien and Reiner "made money on this!"
It costs money to make a series like this, to run a Substack column like this, as well, defrayed in various ways, yes, but absolutely not ethically dubious in any way, without much, much more besides!
And I do understand all of this is an undertaking and expenses do add up. However, do not waste your time and ours if you aren't going to do the work. And DON"T PUFF! They clearly haven't been following enough of the researchers to pass the basic sniff test. They may as well have thrown James Files and Gerry Hemming into the mix. What did Soledad say in her recent episode? Let me guess......she know where Nicoltti's hit list is hidden buried in cheese cloth by Files...in a safe place?
Gerry Hemming BELONGS in this extended, sprawling, extremely complex discussion, Files, not so much!
Seems to me it's you who need to revise your cocksure assertiveness about the possible value even in a flawed presentation by O'Brien and Reiner, "The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good" is a useful proverb for the likes of you to ponder, "Corey `just lurking,'" is my respectful advice, offered in this brusque form because, for one thing, it's just a mistake to enable lazy critiques from "anonymous lurkers," you brought up Gerry Hemming, here ya go, make the most of it:
EXCERPT - which I am willing to discuss, or "debate" informally at length, Senor Lurker:
On 14th April, 1980, Gerry Hemming was arrested at the Lantana Airport in Palm Beach County with a plane loaded with 723 pounds of marijuana and a cache of Quaaludes. Hemming claimed he was he was working for the U.S. government in an undercover operation. Hemming told Alan J. Weberman that he was working for Mitchell WerBell and Lucien Conein. Hemming was sentenced to 35 years in prison. State records indicate he served seven years.
The HSCA did not publish this CIA memo linking its agents to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Hunt now decided to take legal action against the Liberty Lobby and in December, 1981, he was awarded $650,000 in damages. Liberty Lobby appealed to the United States Court of Appeals. It was claimed that Hunt's attorney, Ellis Rubin, had offered a clearly erroneous instruction as to the law of defamation. The three-judge panel agreed and the case was retried. This time Mark Lane defended the Liberty Lobby against Hunt's action.
Lane eventually discovered Marchetti’s sources. The main source was William Corson. It also emerged that Marchetti had also consulted James Angleton and Alan J. Weberman before publishing the article. As a result of obtaining of getting depositions from David Atlee Phillips, Richard Helms, G. Gordon Liddy, Stansfield Turner and Marita Lorenz, plus a skillful cross-examination by Lane of E. Howard Hunt, the jury decided in January, 1995, that Marchetti had not been guilty of libel when he suggested that John F. Kennedy had been assassinated by people working for the CIA.
Hemming moved from Florida to Fayetteville in North Carolina in the 1990s because he wanted to be near the Veterans Affairs Medical Center.
Gerald Patrick Hemming died in his North Carolina home on 29th January, 2008.
Gerry Hemming was to become well known in the Sixties for his links with ClA-backed anti-Castro exiles; but in January 1959, as American policy hung in the balance, he was still working with Castro's people.... Hemming explained that he believed Oswald's service at the Atsugi base made him a likely recruit for intelligence... Hemming offers only his personal opinion, based on a gut feeling at the time, that Oswald was involved with one of the intelligence services when he met him in 1959.
(2) Gerry Hemming interviewed by Anthony Summers in 1979.
He (Lee Harvey Oswald) was attempting to get in with the representatives of Castro's new government, the consular officials in Los Angeles. And at that point in time I felt that he was a threat to me and to those Castro people, that he was an informant or some type of agent working for somebody. He was rather young, but I felt that he was too knowledgeable in certain things not to be an agent of law enforcement or of Military Intelligence, or Naval Intelligence.
As a radar operator living in a highly restricted area, he would have been fraternizing with CIA contract employees. Sooner or later he would fraternize with a case officer, one or more, that handled these contract employees. He would be a prime candidate for recruitment because of job skills, and expertise, and the fact that they could personally vouch for him and give him a security clearance.
(3) Thomas Bethall, letter to Edward Jay Epstein (25th July, 1967)
We were recently paid an unannounced visit by two Americans who were intimately connected with Cuban exile groups in the summer of 1963. One, Gerry Patrick Hemming, was even dressed in fatigues. The main purpose of their visit seemed to be to point an authoritative finger of suspicion at Hall, Howard and Seymour, (to an extent that we began to wonder if they knew that others were involved and were trying to protect them.) Gerry Patrick told me the following story which I thought might interest you.
******* This continues, with interesting summaries from the sources for the Spartacus-International article - and should be studied closely, in the spirit of one of Mark Lane's statements in Plausible Denial (my paraphrase, the book is "around here somewhere"!) "Even false answers when closely scrutinized, may prove revelatory."
Are you telling me they aren't reaching on saying who the shooters were and where they were located? Are you telling me in their heart of hearts they didn't know they were reaching. And yet they dangled the carrot over how many episodes? Is that still too "opaque"?
Richard for starters here is my first response to the original podcast:
That's why I like Jeff and a few others. Nobody can tell you they know who the shooters were much less where they were. Yes you can put people in Dallas....circumstantially.....but to tell you who was a shooter and where? Rob Reiner really reached on this. And Tosh "I tell a different story every time I'm interviewed" Plumlee? Jeff could have hammered Rob Reiner on that but he didn't. Rob and Soledad got paid and now let's move on back to the big boy researchers. Shame on them really.
LOL, it stands for discovering nine or ten years ago that it really, really annoys online Right Wing Nut Job trolls to be summarily informed of the multiple legal and sophistically fallacious flaws - atrocious assaults on rationality itself, in the most extreme cases of the Trump Cult of Neo-Fascist Nihilism, etc. etc. etc. - in their grotesquely preposterous bilge proffered as sound, lucid, cogent relevant reasoning, and have the onus probandi shifted to them to make inane "jokes" about a doctorate in law, about how I obviously made the Juris Doctor* suffix up out of the clear blue, etc. It works, too!
Do you have any relevant point to make about anything connected with the JFK assassination, efforts over many years to get ALL the documents released - barring the most ingenious and accurate national security defenses (we all want to see what the hell THAT would even look like, right?) - or just more of this, "Corey `just lurking,'" (at least you're honest about that, right?) ?
Aimless ennui is a thing, sois sage, mon ami!
* Edit: William Mitchell College of Law, 1993, aka "Billy Mitchell," where the majority of the trial lawyers from the local law schools graduated - now Mitchell-Hamline.
Having, over the years, have ups and downs in my interest in the JFK story, I’m very hesitant to believe in the “smoking gun”. If there ever was one, it’s been destroyed long ago. That’s the reason for the many Angleton sightings at death scenes, Scot and Meyer, for example, and the removal of so many diaries. The “smoking gun” is the accumulated evidence, declassified documents, primarily, that build a strong circumstantial case showing the preponderance of evidence that convinces the public. For to long, any contradiction to the WC has been fought back by media and government as a bunch of conspiracy theory. That dynamic has to change, the ops cast with the recent documentaries have started to move the needle. To keep the momentum, NBC needs to release the Sheridan archive.
I’m 71, I’m probably on the opposite end of the Reiner political spectrum, but the truth has to be established in the court of public opinion and history. I want to see it happen.
My great uncle on his deathbed told me that with all the best available intelligence to the White House he presented to LBJ in the White House the report as to who killed JFK. I have only shared a little bit here but I have shared enough to show that my great uncle was a reliable source. He showed me where he cryptically safely left his report so that it would be found. The story is both the Rene Dussaq story and the Roscoe White story. Both stories came from diaries from unrelated people with unrelated authors. They both have distinct telling aspects that are identical.
I too was a bit disappointed with this episode, I do think you’ve got to push her on the decisions they made re. material, production, argument etc.. Plus the final episode was a mess, with names pulled out of the ether without any real justification/evidence. I tend to like Jeff’s general approach to discussion, because I believe one gets more if one’s conciliatory, but O’Brien needed gently challenging on some of what she said.
Thank you for mentioning the Darnell film! I asked about that in my first comment before you mentioned it. If people don't know what he's referring to with the Darnell film capturing Oswald on the TSBD steps, see British researcher, Bart Kamp's* Prayer-Man.com site & his 2023 JFK Lancer talk about Prayer Man (ie: Possibly Lee Harvey Oswald in the shadowy west (left) corner of the TSBD steps, captured in the Wiegman and the Darnell Films, but most clearly in the Darnell Film):
In 2019, Bart unearthed FBI SA James Hosty's first day handwritten LHO interrogation notes (Hosty was one of Oswald's main interrogators). Hosty we now know committed perjury when he claimed to the HSCA to have destroyed them after they were typed up. In his notes he wrote that Oswald told him he got a Coke on the 2nd floor to to have with his lunch on the 1st floor and "then went outside to watch the P. Parade"
NBC is also holding the camera original of the Darnell Film of the assassination, which is the only film that captures, fleetingly, the people standing on the steps immediately after the time of the shots.
Too many sour grapes in this comment section. Who Killed JFK podcast is a great starting point for the initiated. If you've been following the JFK Assassination for 60 years you might not be impressed, but it's important for all of the folks that haven't.
What's with the grumpy comments? Why such disdain for what turned out to be a most successful podcast on JFK? What did Soledad and Rob do to deserve vitriol? Not sure what I'm missing, but similar to Jeff and Larry, I loved the podcast. Most of the information was well researched and truthful. The podcast brought a whole new generation up to speed on the down and dirty details that Soledad and Rob exposed so eloquently throughout the series. Thanks Jeff and Larry for an interesting interview. I'm off to listen to Murder On The Towpath!
Thanks, Rick! IMHO the tone is more than grumpy, it's sexist. And I am not surprised that there are few "vacuous" women who join in on these conversations. I am an admirer of Soledad and her work, recently executive producer of THE REBELLIOUS LIFE OF MRS. ROSA PARKS https://tribecafilm.com/films/rebellious-life-of-mrs-rosa-parks-2022
Rob Reiner, a class act, puts himself out there in an arena where anyone can take their potshots at him. The ten part podcast with two bonus sessions did not yield 12 home runs. Not sure that individual has been born yet? The conversation regarding where do Rob and Soledad take this in the future, I have a couple suggestions: (1) unravel the character Jack Rubinstein (Ruby), his connections to the Chicago mafia, Sam Giancana, any possible gun running operations of weapons to Israel through Cuba and his interactions in Dallas with the Hicks family. Did he truly purchase a television for the Hicks family, days before JFK’s visit and tell them to be watching? (2) What role, if any, did nuclear proliferation for a certain state in the Middle East play? (3) Possible role(s) of organized crime in the US and Internationally, especially the Corsican Mafia. Bobby Kennedy’s role in pursuing organized crime, Jimmy Hoffa and Carlos Marcelo in particular, plus the exposure of Lyndon Johnson’s travails with Bobby Baker. Still plenty of stones to turn over and expose the excrement. John Edgar Hoover could cover an entire series.
Right.
And jazz-rock fusion made millions for the Charlie Parker estate.
A tired, sterile fabrication used to sell worthless get-rich-quick schemes to the ignorati.
Take the box office and run, Rob and Soledad! And sleep soundly knowing that all you've really accomplished is preserving cover-up perpetuating doubt at the expense of justice.
Charles, you're not a misunderstood genius, you're a broken record. We get it, anyone trying to educate the masses is somehow misguided and ignorant of what you assume is the only righteous path forward.
So a suggestion: spend more time doing actual research, writing up your findings, etc. and less time trolling here and complaining about your fellow Americans who are also concerned that JFK's assassination has had long-lasting and ongoing repercussions.
Reiner and O'Brien shared a very well crafted podcast series with 5 million people. Get over yourself and recognize this is a good thing. And to state the obvious, you can always start your own podcast.
Jealous by any chance?
Reiner stated in this podcast General Charles Willoughby was the main organizer of the Assasination along with Bill Harvey. I trust Reiner knows why he said that but he doesnt tell give us much evidence. We need to know more about what evidence he has of this. Reiner says there was a Sixth Floor Shooter but it wasnt Oswald. Hello we need to know more. The podcast fails in this sense. Reiner opens a pandora box regarding who killed Kennedy and just leaves us on the side of the road. Reiner says there were four Assassins. He says he knows for a fact they were in Dallas on Nov 22. We wish Reiner had shared more of his vast knowledge on the Assassination. I think he failed to do what he set out to do. Reiner needs to come back on the podcast and further explain many things to listeners of this podcast. It does however take a lot ot guts to say what he does on his Who Killed Kennedy podcast.
While listening to the podcast, hearing each episode first thing on the day of release, I was overwhelmed by the amount of detail. This led me to pause and take detailed notes. Though I knew not what this would lead to, I ended up writing a nearly 9400 word "article." I tied in other information to emphasize the facts (and educated guesses), ending up with a written story that can be more deeply absorbed by interested parties, as opposed to a podcast. Out of respect for the work of Rob, Soledad, guests, and SOB Productions in total I have not shared it with anyone. I have placed a PDF version (easily printed) in a protected Dropbox folder and would very much like to share it, perhaps with Rob, Jefferson Morley, Dick Russell, and others. The story has broad interest, as shown by recent National Geographic and Paramount+ productions. The podcast is the opposite of what Jeff calls "...a lot of craziness" and I think this document compiles the information in a format where the information can be understood more deeply. I hope to be able to share it.
I am struggling to see if they helped, but I believe they did. Their marketing was dishonest and they made terrible statements such as there will never be a smoking gun. The smoking gun exists and it is there for the finding. Anyone can find it.
Knott Labratory has taken on a 3D digital forensic analysis of the assassination in Dealey Plaza. They are establishing bullet trajectories based on how JFK and Conley’s bodies were wounded by bullets that travelled in very straight paths, naturally not magically! They have a presentation scheduled in England in March, not sure of the date. John Orr, a former DOJ Attorney has contracted for this forensic analysis. Knott Labratory performed a digital forensic analysis on the accident that killed Princess Diana. Stay tuned.
With you on everything but your first sentence.
Your penultimate and closing sentences are demonstrably correct. I put it somewhat more confrontationally:
"Anyone with reasonable access to the evidence who does not conclude that JFK was killed by criminal conspirators is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime."
Did Reiner move the needle? I think he did. His version is maybe the best and most worthwhile storytelling I know of.
But never forget Reiner’s version is sponsored by John Brennen the single most evil POS of the 21st century so far. Reiner’s telling is undoubtedly a “limited hangout” where many truths are conceded but bigger more critical lies are bolstered. Be on the lookout.
How is Brennan connected with the Podcast?
Here’s the link to Jeff Morley’s interview with Rob Reiner published by JFK Facts on November 23rd of last year. Brennan is discussed from 20:15 to 23:30 (The audio player is third rate and doesn’t really show the time stamp unless you hover the cursor over time bar).
https://jfkfacts.substack.com/p/the-jfk-facts-podcast-talks-to-rob?r=1n6vph&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=audio-player
Reiner ultimately describes a dinner with just four people, Reiner & wife and Brennan & wife. The impetus for Reiner’s JFK project seems to come from this dinner.
Thanks. Hilarious that Brennan was the impetus of the podcast, but headed the CIA and continued the stonewall and limited hangout of classified data on the assassination. He could have gone to Obama and authorized the release. Typical DC swamp creature.
You nailed it on the Brennen and limited hangout insights.
But the storytelling by Egreious and Ratty Lee is mile wide and inch deep as it it lurches over long-mapped terrain toward an undeclared goal.
How can one plan a route if if one does not have a destination?
Do you seriously value the histrionic, schoolyard babble of Howdy Broody and Buffalo Boob over the refined expressions of a James Douglass, the latter immeasurably enriched by the teller's profound understanding of story elements -- and their brilliantly crafted and sustained structure -- that date to the works of Homer?
Insignificant sound and fury.
Charles. You should pay attention to the comments here. Pay attention to how other people react to you. This web site isn't just a chalkboard for your insults. This is a community that engages in civil conversation. You're not doing that.
I pay close attention, a fact which should be obvious given my responses. I do not work to please correspondents. Never have, never will.
As for your call for "civil conversation", I remind you that neither that behavior nor tender mercies of any description were evident in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63. We are at war with JFK's killers and the systems that sustain them.
We control an arsenal of evidentiary "smoking guns". But we have failed to use them to return the fire of the assassins and their sponsors.
It is now clear to me that I have no place in your community. Accordingly, this reply will be my final public statement within it.
Give my best to legendary Soledad, to her superstar collaborator, and to their director Cardinal Brennan.
Farewell.
Charles. You're welcome in this community--if you treat everybody with a modicum of respect. Let me repeat that so you get the message: YOU ARE WELCOME IN THIS COMMUNITY--if you treat everybody with a modicum of respect.
Jeff,
I am touched by and greatfull for your response.
It is clear to me that there are irreconcilable differences between our respective methodologies regarding how to move this case forward. Yet never doubt that, in the final analysis, I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you in the battles for truth and justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
So ... I wish you godspeed on your journey even as I bid farewell to its current stage.
Respectfully,
Charles
Something about honey and vinegar. Hate to remind anyone, but if we are at war, the enemy is dead.
The biggest obstacle those seeking to solve the JFK murder was the ability to make the charge of “conspiracy theorist” stick and the number of people who made it possible. The current generation seems more willing to let documented facts do the talking.
"Legendary journalist"?
Vacuous, historically ignorant, glorified morning chat show newsreader Soledad O'Brien, who once told her third-place audience about the battle of "TRAF-al-gar" as camera operators and crew shouted the correct pronunciation amid raucous laughter?
THAT Soledad O'Brien?
What the hell are you trying to sell, and why the hell are you trying to sell it?
Reiner and O'Brien are the Regis and Kathy Lee of Kennedy assassination poseurs. NOTHING more. They offer NOTHING new. NOTHING of any value whatsoever.
Their shooters "ID"doesn't pass the laugh test. Wise guy, two-in-the-hat Nicoletti???
Reiner and O'Brien amount to NOTHING other than de facto cover-up perpetuating, disinformation narcissists.
What sort of game are you running here?
Shame on you.
They attracted 5 million podcast listeners, bringing facts that’s old news to many of us to a new mainstream audience. By the power of their storytelling.
Right.
And jazz-rock fusion made millions for the Charlie Parker estate.
A tired, sterile fabrication used to sell worthless get-rich-quick schemes to the ignorati.
Take the box office and run, Rob and Soledad! And sleep soundly knowing that all you've really accomplished is preserving cover-up perpetuating doubt at the expense of justice.
Five million more "Clue" players -- cover-up uncertainty facilitators who are neurologically and emotionally incapable of grasping the concept of the moral responsibility to define and effect justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
"Powerful storytelling" my pocked derriere!
I might add: classic marketing bullshit.
Or, if you prefer, "classic storytelling" of the effectiveness of tales told around Neanderthal campfires.
Dude, I realize, according to your bio, your literary efforts seem most impressive. But jfc, you’re like Debbie Downer on steroids. Worse. You mistake pejoratives for argument. What do you add praytell?
If you read my extended work -- most recently published as the Afterword to H.P. Albarelli, Jr.'s masterful if unfinished "Coup in Dallas" -- your question will receive a significant introductory response.
The conspiracy-LN argument has been over for at least 40 years. The cover-up is rooted in doubt -- in maintenance of the endless declarations of the obvious with tones of discovery epitomized by the Groundhogs in the former camp.
And I will be goddamned if I join their chorus of Castrati!
Informed dismissal and savagely rhetorical ridicule are the only effective responses to the likes of Reiner and O'Brien and The King Chokeholder, who get fat presenting established fact as divine revelation. Their motives? I suspect, with reasons ranging from certain knowledge to informed opinion, greed, simplemindedness, ignorance, ego, perhaps clinical narcissistic personality disorder, learning disabilities, and/or substance abuse.
I reiterate for effect: We who know are obliged to move on so as to define and effect justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
For how can we plan a route if we do not have a destination?
I haven't the wisdom to conjure a comprehensive response to my plea. But I've got enough game to suggest opening moves. An example: my late '90s co-effort to create a JFK Truth and Amnesty Commission that alas was swiftly penetrated and eviscerated.
Revisiting is under serious consideration.
And then their are the fools who, with their law suits and petitions, choose to ask prime suspects to inculpate themselves.
There is more to tell and to learn. Much more.
But I leave you with this inescapable truth: Anyone with reasonable access to the evidence who does not conclude that JFK was killed by criminal conspirators is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime.
Appreciate it.
More later this morning.
Jeff I appreciate any content you add but I'm going to have to respectfully decline from watching any more Obrien or Reiner content. They sold their souls on that podcast. In other words I know it's going to be a complete waste of my time.
"Liked / Upvoted" for expressing concisely what your basic attitude is on this, "we're all adults here" and this is serious business, no point in hemming and hawing just out of some misplaced desire to avoid confrontation - that kind of conflicting view might be a fast way to make progress - but with the severe, respectfully offered reservations that it leaves the heavily freighted terms "sold their souls on this" completely opaque!
That's awfully damning, and btw I am not stating anything about my own views on this particular topic either way, I will leave that for some other time, or maybe not expressed at all, but they will be what I actually believe, that's for sure.
At least offer a few paragraphs with broad (or very detailed, it's obviously your call) arguments and considerations - a useful distinction, that, since there may be relevant "considerations" that don't quite reach the level of easily defined premises and sound or at least highly plausible deductions from same - that explain what you mean, Corey!
Thanks in advance for any additional clarity you can supply.
EDIT: I really, really hope this doesn't turn out to be grounded essentially just in discomfort that O'Brien and Reiner "made money on this!"
It costs money to make a series like this, to run a Substack column like this, as well, defrayed in various ways, yes, but absolutely not ethically dubious in any way, without much, much more besides!
And I do understand all of this is an undertaking and expenses do add up. However, do not waste your time and ours if you aren't going to do the work. And DON"T PUFF! They clearly haven't been following enough of the researchers to pass the basic sniff test. They may as well have thrown James Files and Gerry Hemming into the mix. What did Soledad say in her recent episode? Let me guess......she know where Nicoltti's hit list is hidden buried in cheese cloth by Files...in a safe place?
Gerry Hemming BELONGS in this extended, sprawling, extremely complex discussion, Files, not so much!
Seems to me it's you who need to revise your cocksure assertiveness about the possible value even in a flawed presentation by O'Brien and Reiner, "The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good" is a useful proverb for the likes of you to ponder, "Corey `just lurking,'" is my respectful advice, offered in this brusque form because, for one thing, it's just a mistake to enable lazy critiques from "anonymous lurkers," you brought up Gerry Hemming, here ya go, make the most of it:
spartacus-educational.com/JFKhemming.htm
EXCERPT - which I am willing to discuss, or "debate" informally at length, Senor Lurker:
On 14th April, 1980, Gerry Hemming was arrested at the Lantana Airport in Palm Beach County with a plane loaded with 723 pounds of marijuana and a cache of Quaaludes. Hemming claimed he was he was working for the U.S. government in an undercover operation. Hemming told Alan J. Weberman that he was working for Mitchell WerBell and Lucien Conein. Hemming was sentenced to 35 years in prison. State records indicate he served seven years.
The HSCA did not publish this CIA memo linking its agents to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Hunt now decided to take legal action against the Liberty Lobby and in December, 1981, he was awarded $650,000 in damages. Liberty Lobby appealed to the United States Court of Appeals. It was claimed that Hunt's attorney, Ellis Rubin, had offered a clearly erroneous instruction as to the law of defamation. The three-judge panel agreed and the case was retried. This time Mark Lane defended the Liberty Lobby against Hunt's action.
Lane eventually discovered Marchetti’s sources. The main source was William Corson. It also emerged that Marchetti had also consulted James Angleton and Alan J. Weberman before publishing the article. As a result of obtaining of getting depositions from David Atlee Phillips, Richard Helms, G. Gordon Liddy, Stansfield Turner and Marita Lorenz, plus a skillful cross-examination by Lane of E. Howard Hunt, the jury decided in January, 1995, that Marchetti had not been guilty of libel when he suggested that John F. Kennedy had been assassinated by people working for the CIA.
Hemming moved from Florida to Fayetteville in North Carolina in the 1990s because he wanted to be near the Veterans Affairs Medical Center.
Gerald Patrick Hemming died in his North Carolina home on 29th January, 2008.
Assassination of John F. Kennedy Encyclopedia
By John Simkin (john@spartacus-educational.com) © September 1997 (updated January 2020).
▲ Main Article ▲
Primary and Secondary Sources
(1) Anthony Summers, Conspiracy (1980)
Gerry Hemming was to become well known in the Sixties for his links with ClA-backed anti-Castro exiles; but in January 1959, as American policy hung in the balance, he was still working with Castro's people.... Hemming explained that he believed Oswald's service at the Atsugi base made him a likely recruit for intelligence... Hemming offers only his personal opinion, based on a gut feeling at the time, that Oswald was involved with one of the intelligence services when he met him in 1959.
(2) Gerry Hemming interviewed by Anthony Summers in 1979.
He (Lee Harvey Oswald) was attempting to get in with the representatives of Castro's new government, the consular officials in Los Angeles. And at that point in time I felt that he was a threat to me and to those Castro people, that he was an informant or some type of agent working for somebody. He was rather young, but I felt that he was too knowledgeable in certain things not to be an agent of law enforcement or of Military Intelligence, or Naval Intelligence.
As a radar operator living in a highly restricted area, he would have been fraternizing with CIA contract employees. Sooner or later he would fraternize with a case officer, one or more, that handled these contract employees. He would be a prime candidate for recruitment because of job skills, and expertise, and the fact that they could personally vouch for him and give him a security clearance.
(3) Thomas Bethall, letter to Edward Jay Epstein (25th July, 1967)
We were recently paid an unannounced visit by two Americans who were intimately connected with Cuban exile groups in the summer of 1963. One, Gerry Patrick Hemming, was even dressed in fatigues. The main purpose of their visit seemed to be to point an authoritative finger of suspicion at Hall, Howard and Seymour, (to an extent that we began to wonder if they knew that others were involved and were trying to protect them.) Gerry Patrick told me the following story which I thought might interest you.
******* This continues, with interesting summaries from the sources for the Spartacus-International article - and should be studied closely, in the spirit of one of Mark Lane's statements in Plausible Denial (my paraphrase, the book is "around here somewhere"!) "Even false answers when closely scrutinized, may prove revelatory."
Are you telling me they aren't reaching on saying who the shooters were and where they were located? Are you telling me in their heart of hearts they didn't know they were reaching. And yet they dangled the carrot over how many episodes? Is that still too "opaque"?
Richard for starters here is my first response to the original podcast:
That's why I like Jeff and a few others. Nobody can tell you they know who the shooters were much less where they were. Yes you can put people in Dallas....circumstantially.....but to tell you who was a shooter and where? Rob Reiner really reached on this. And Tosh "I tell a different story every time I'm interviewed" Plumlee? Jeff could have hammered Rob Reiner on that but he didn't. Rob and Soledad got paid and now let's move on back to the big boy researchers. Shame on them really.
Does it stand for Just Digesting when they change your diapers?
Does the JD stand for jury doctoring?
LOL, it stands for discovering nine or ten years ago that it really, really annoys online Right Wing Nut Job trolls to be summarily informed of the multiple legal and sophistically fallacious flaws - atrocious assaults on rationality itself, in the most extreme cases of the Trump Cult of Neo-Fascist Nihilism, etc. etc. etc. - in their grotesquely preposterous bilge proffered as sound, lucid, cogent relevant reasoning, and have the onus probandi shifted to them to make inane "jokes" about a doctorate in law, about how I obviously made the Juris Doctor* suffix up out of the clear blue, etc. It works, too!
Do you have any relevant point to make about anything connected with the JFK assassination, efforts over many years to get ALL the documents released - barring the most ingenious and accurate national security defenses (we all want to see what the hell THAT would even look like, right?) - or just more of this, "Corey `just lurking,'" (at least you're honest about that, right?) ?
Aimless ennui is a thing, sois sage, mon ami!
* Edit: William Mitchell College of Law, 1993, aka "Billy Mitchell," where the majority of the trial lawyers from the local law schools graduated - now Mitchell-Hamline.
Having, over the years, have ups and downs in my interest in the JFK story, I’m very hesitant to believe in the “smoking gun”. If there ever was one, it’s been destroyed long ago. That’s the reason for the many Angleton sightings at death scenes, Scot and Meyer, for example, and the removal of so many diaries. The “smoking gun” is the accumulated evidence, declassified documents, primarily, that build a strong circumstantial case showing the preponderance of evidence that convinces the public. For to long, any contradiction to the WC has been fought back by media and government as a bunch of conspiracy theory. That dynamic has to change, the ops cast with the recent documentaries have started to move the needle. To keep the momentum, NBC needs to release the Sheridan archive.
I’m 71, I’m probably on the opposite end of the Reiner political spectrum, but the truth has to be established in the court of public opinion and history. I want to see it happen.
My great uncle on his deathbed told me that with all the best available intelligence to the White House he presented to LBJ in the White House the report as to who killed JFK. I have only shared a little bit here but I have shared enough to show that my great uncle was a reliable source. He showed me where he cryptically safely left his report so that it would be found. The story is both the Rene Dussaq story and the Roscoe White story. Both stories came from diaries from unrelated people with unrelated authors. They both have distinct telling aspects that are identical.
That is what happened. The smoking gun is real.
I too was a bit disappointed with this episode, I do think you’ve got to push her on the decisions they made re. material, production, argument etc.. Plus the final episode was a mess, with names pulled out of the ether without any real justification/evidence. I tend to like Jeff’s general approach to discussion, because I believe one gets more if one’s conciliatory, but O’Brien needed gently challenging on some of what she said.
Very disappointed with this.
Thank you for mentioning the Darnell film! I asked about that in my first comment before you mentioned it. If people don't know what he's referring to with the Darnell film capturing Oswald on the TSBD steps, see British researcher, Bart Kamp's* Prayer-Man.com site & his 2023 JFK Lancer talk about Prayer Man (ie: Possibly Lee Harvey Oswald in the shadowy west (left) corner of the TSBD steps, captured in the Wiegman and the Darnell Films, but most clearly in the Darnell Film):
http://www.prayer-man.com/
In 2019, Bart unearthed FBI SA James Hosty's first day handwritten LHO interrogation notes (Hosty was one of Oswald's main interrogators). Hosty we now know committed perjury when he claimed to the HSCA to have destroyed them after they were typed up. In his notes he wrote that Oswald told him he got a Coke on the 2nd floor to to have with his lunch on the 1st floor and "then went outside to watch the P. Parade"
http://www.prayer-man.com/fbi-ss/james-hosty/
Also see Bart's Oct 2023 book "Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture":
https://www.amazon.com/Prayer-Man-More-Fuzzy-Picture/dp/B0CH2PPB36
And Bart Kamp's 2023 Prayer Man Lancer talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd2lJ4Yef40
*Bart won the 2016 JFK Lancer Pioneer Award and the 2017 Excellence Award by the Dealey Plaza UK, for his Prayer Man research.
The Darnell film is the evidence that could exonerate Oswald of being a shooter, and could crack this case wide open!
NBC is also holding the camera original of the Darnell Film of the assassination, which is the only film that captures, fleetingly, the people standing on the steps immediately after the time of the shots.