I really liked their podcast series. As someone relatively new to this subject, I learned a bunch of things I didn’t already know and I’m glad that it is getting mainstream attention. My one critique would be the people they named as shooters in the last episode. While they did say it was an educated guess, they didn’t go into much detail on why it was an educated guess. I was left wanting a bit more other than these are enemies of Kennedy who may have been in the area. Does anyone have have more information on why these are reasonable names, other than Herminio Diaz telling a friend he was involved?
I just watched the 4-part series from Oliver Stone called JFK: Destiny Betrayed., and I highly recommend it. CIA knew and used Oswald and covered it up. A huge scandal they keep hiding because of the embarrassment it would cause. This is not about revealing sources and methods.
I am excited that it is getting so much attention. It shows that people are still interested all these years later. I was disappointed that they did not "name names" that they said they were. Rob also said he solved it, but then goes on to say there is no smoking gun.
I did learn from the podcast. I learned that Sol was in the window where Oswald was. Other than that it was still Roscoe White (Mandarin), CIA agent (Lebanon), Piatagorski (Sol) and then Rene Dussaq.
I know I have been here for a while. I was asked to put together a page showing information establishing my great uncle as a source. I did that. If more is needed, I am happy to share. He was the one that submitted to LBJ in the White House a report based on the highest levels of information available to the White House as to who shot JFK.
"I was disappointed that they did not "name names" that they said they were."
They did indeed name names beginning at 10:35.
The shooters were allegedly:
Herminio Diaz Garcia (killed 1966)
Jean Souetre (aka Michel Mertz and Michel Roux, French assassin)
Charles Nicoletti (hitman for Sam Giancana)
Jack Cannon (worked for Gen. Charles Willoughby)
The shooter locations were the TSBD and Dal-Tex buildings, behind the fence on the grassy knoll, and on the overpass by the south knoll.
They name Bill Harvey as the chief architect aided by Johnny Roselli and Gen. Charles Willoughby. They allege that David Attlee Phillips and James Jesus Angelton set up Oswald and that Allen Dulles had some awareness of the plan.
They claim that it was purely a domestic plot with no foreign involvement except for one Franch assassin. IIRC, your contention is that there was foreign involvement in the plot.
I respect that they named names, but they didn't do so in a respectable manner. The way they named names was akin to overhearing a conversation in a bar. All they had was that they had information suggesting these men were in town that day.
However, I don't have the real names behind Lebanon and Sol of the Roscoe White Story. I am hoping their new book on Roscoe White comes out soon.
Rene Dussaq calls out Harvey as the reason as to why he orchestrated the assassination.
What I do know is that my great uncle knew about the Rene Dussaq story near immediately after the assassination. I have realized that it was only from Rene's point of view, which may have been flawed. It then further explains how he obtained additional clarification when I believe it was Piatagorski (Sol) that he met in Stockholm in 1966. It would be impossible for my great uncle to have come up with the Roscoe White story before Ricky White found his dad's belongings in the attic of his home and went public with it.
Foreign involvement, doesn't exclude domestic. He did say that it was as clear as one and one and one that Curtis Lemay was trying to take over as number two, but he also said that it was only speculation. They didn't have the proof.
It was the cables sent to Roscoe that it seems to have come from a foreign source.
My ears did perk up when they mentioned Charles Willoughby. It was his book "Shanghai Conspiracy" that I believe mentions my great uncle. You may not recall. The Japanese translation of that same book published in 1952 had this specific section of the book removed. When I contacted the head of the Richard Sorge Society, Professor Kanto who had been studying the subject for forty years said he never noticed this discrepancy before, therefore never had a chance to research this new lead into the story he had been researching for 40 years. In 1952 the CIA would have had control over this publication in Japan and Jack Canon may have been involved on this as he ran the CIA office in Tokyo. I need to do more research to understand his office.
I believe Lebanon is highly likely a CIA agent that operated in the Pacific. Perhaps Lebanon was handled by Jack Canon.
The problem with Piatagorski (Sol) is that he worked for the British, the Russians and the Americans. Afterall, he was working for the US when my great uncle went to meet him in 1966. He doesn't match up with any of the names that were given above. But there is also almost no way to tell who he was working for that day. Right now what I have are hints that the money came from Cuba. Also, repeatedly stated, he was a Russian Polish man.
I can tell you that my great uncle also cursed Dulles' name.
It is interesting that your story seems to corroborate the Roscoe White story. A lot of researchers dismiss it.
Do you have Piatagorski's first name or a link to his story? I can't find anything about him. I assume you aren't referring to the famous cello player.
Piatagorski was the only name that Robert Wilcox could find and he put that name in his book.
My great uncle left puzzle pieces behind and I am still unraveling some of them.
When my great uncle was arrested on the streets of Tokyo, he said there was a Polish man there that called him a bum. My great uncle regularly used dead words and was open about how he liked using dead words as toward the end of his life he studied them. Bum is a term for a Union soldier. So I believe that this Polish man called him an American Soldier in the street of Tokyo while he was being arrested by the Japanese police. Just as my great uncle places himself at the same location working with the same people as Rene Dussaq in 1941, I believe this Polish man is Piatagorski.
A couple of years ago, Moscow declassified their 1941 Tokyo files and there was an event in their files that sounds very much like what my great uncle described. The event was written about by journalists, but they refuse to respond and of course I don't have the means to research these declassified documents in Moscow.
There are other possible sources regarding this Polish man that I have not had the time or resources to explore as I have researched extensively what it means to be a Polish man in Tokyo in 1941.
So right now, I don't have his real name.
Regarding who I think Lebanon is, I do know where to look, but I don't have the time or resources to look.
I suppose once I publish my book, if people take it seriously then they will be able to look further into the story I am telling.
Lastly, just conversing about all of this with you continues to open up possibilities or avenues I need to explore. Piatagorski may have continued to be in Tokyo into 1952. If so, then he may have known Jack Cannon or I should say, he highly likely does know Jack Cannon. What I have found, it appears that Lebanon knew Piatagorski and likely met him in Ruby's bar.
I am seeing that Reiner's story certainly is hitting a lot on the right spots, but I was seriously disappointed in the supporting evidence behind the "names."
I have seen where researchers dismiss the Roscoe White story, but I also see where Ricky White was not a sophisticated man capable of presenting what he had. I think researchers really need to factor that in when dismissing him. Putting forward the idea that he fabricated the whole thing is irresponsible.
Ricky was an oil field worker in the early nineties. His mom Geneva, who died in 1990, was a former stripper at Ruby's club, and not well off. First Geneva, and then Ricky, appeared to want to make a lot of money from their story. I think that's what hurt their credibility the most. When the diary disappeared, allegedly stolen by an FBI agent, Geneva forged one and tried to pass it off as the original IIRC. That also hurt their credibility. Nonetheless, the story could still be true.
Unfortunately, Rob, Dick and Soledad were unable to put a nice bow on their 10 part podcast which I found very refreshing. However, Rob unapologetically stated it was a conspiracy plus had spoken with the pilot that ferried in to Dallas Johnny Roselli, Charles Nicoletti and E. Howard Hunt. One thing I wish had been covered, since St. John Hunt was referenced during one of the podcasts, was whether E. Howard Hunt had made a death bed confession to his son, St. John, that LBJ was the godfather of the assassination accompanied by Bill Harvey and J. Edgar Hoover. I believe Hoover got off light. His role in the investigation and funneling information to the Warren Commission was tantamount! Without a doubt, LBJ and JEH were the top two beneficiaries of JFK’s assassination. Are those two subjects still too delicate to touch?
Some people still think of LBJ as a great president because of the legislation he signed, particularly establishment liberal Democrats. Rob falls in that category. LBJ was a scumbag who likely would have ended up like Spiro Agnew, or worse. He likely had people murdered during his political career. His hit man was a guy named Malcolm "Mac" Wallace. His print was found in the "sniper's nest."
So much evidence disappeared in the hands of the FBI, it's sickening. The FBI murdered people and tried to get MLK to kill himself, as you know. Despicable.
Yes, I think LBJ and Hoover are still revered for some reason in some circles.
Charles, I have thoroughly reviewed your collection of J. T. Stephen’s, Jr.’s memorabilia. It is obvious his expertise and proximity to White House communications from the 1940’s to the 1960’s. I believe you have extensive tape recordings made late in his life. Are there any specific quotes you can provide from those tapes that would enrich his interactions with President Kennedy near the time of the assassination? Thanks. This audience can be a bit brutal at times?!
I have committed to writing a book. I have hired a writer and signed a contract for the book to be completed by the end of this year.
Also, this audience has always been kind and responsive. I have to realize that the story I have is beyond belief. I have repeatedly review what I can see to see if I am delirious or hallucinating, but again and again, it shows itself to be true.
He was rare to actually cite a specific name of a president, but he did specifically say he met with LBJ and that he had a "special" relationship with LBJ.
Regarding JFK, he would make comments such as that he liked all the pretty girls he kept around the White House, but his comment was more of a "the president" kept pretty girls around the White House. Given that he specifically made statements of working in the White House at times such as the Cuban Missile Crisis, I myself inferred that some comments such as the "pretty girls" one to be related to JFK. He did mention that at times so long as the President wasn't with his family, he would join him for dinner. I can assure you that that was not LBJ, but I can say that he was fond of Eisenhower. So I do believe it was JFK that he was eating dinner with at times. He also mentioned that later presidents had so many advisors that they had no idea who he was.
Here is another example. He talked about the time his crew flew down to Texas as they were heading to a ranch that was owned by someone in the administration. He went into additional details about this trip, but at the time he was telling me this story, I simply had no idea what he was talking about. I had to research the JFK assassination to understand they were heading to the LBJ ranch. He did give other details that match up to the trip to Dallas.
So regarding recordings of his comments related to JFK, they are not exactly what one would expect and I didn't understand much of it when I was listening.
Here is another example, I asked him where he was when he learned about the JFK assassination. He started with, "This isn't going to be what you think it is." Then he detailed about how he was in his office in New York and he was working a secured cable that came from Australia and included in that cable communication was information about a ship of ours that sank. There is of course the cable that came over October 15, 1962 from Australia that included information about a threat to assassinate JFK and in that cable it included details about a ship that sunk. I late realized that he was at his mother's funeral when JFK was shot and it all became clear. But he was no longer alive so I couldn't ask for clarification.
Yes, I can share some audio. I want to select a careful one where you can here him make clear and direct statements with a beginning and end.
I don't recall if it is in the files, but he got a huge promotion just maybe two weeks before the assassination.
I have what appears to be evidence that he was instrumental in working with Eisenhower to bring about the Korean Armistice. I do believe he was influential to JFK's policies.
I have updated the google link. I made it easier to match the descriptions to the photos and made a couple of corrections as I continue to research. Most importantly I have shared three audio files. I am hesitant to share many of the files. You can hear a bit of his nervousness when I ask him about his meeting with LBJ in the White House. His nervousness is less and more at other times. He struggled to be able to tell me his story for fear of his own life for doing so.
Charles, thank you! His comment, “I didn’t like that way of doing business,” reflects the moral character of WWII Veterans. The ones I knew, primarily my uncles, they would just mutter, “well, we did what we had to,” in a voice that was tailing off. There was a lot more first-hand knowledge that he withheld, most likely for self-preservation. No smoking guns there, but increased respect for someone near ground-zero!!
Thanks for posting. I went through everything and it’s definitely interesting. Hard to connect any of it to the assassination, however.
You mentioned being happy to share more information. I can only speak for myself but I’d love to see whatever else you have. You mentioned the report he submitted to LBJ. Anything corroborating that? When he went to Mexico in Nov 1963 where did he go at that time? Acapulco?
He said he was in Mexico on a job that he was not getting paid for, but he was also vacationing. He said they were further on their way to a small area that was an island or piece of land that was only about three miles wide. That description matches Acapulco.
Do you recall on April 13, 2023 they released a file, a transmission from an operative in Mexico sent in on November 19, 1963? This lines up with his story as the transmission also states they are then going on to Acapulco without this agent, but it is also very peculiar in that this file was declassified on his mother's birthday and it references the date of his mother's death, of which his mother's funeral was then the exact minute JFK died. For me this is just beyond insane and it appears as if the people releasing the files are almost playing a joke.
I have contracted with a writer to complete a full book by the end of the year.
I struggle greatly with being able to release the additional information over this sort of format. The information is extremely vast. I have tens of thousands of photos and documents he left behind.
As I describe how much he left behind, his final living arrangement was a one room healthcare facility. He had one desk, a couple of shelves and half of a small shallow closet behind bifold doors. What he kept until his last day would appear to be nothing but trash to anyone else, but upon looking at it further, it unveils a very peculiar finding.
It is only the entirety of his story told all at once that conveys the entire story. One part of it being conveyed looks insane and of course I fear makes me look insane. It is as if I have to go all the way back to when he was born.
Take for example, it may have been 1935 or 1936 he was put on an airplane from Richmond Virginia and flown to Washington D.C. I have the photograph of the plane and the note on the back stating this. He explained that his mind was great or unique, but he also said he wasn't as smart as Einstein. He didn't quite make it. But he also said he was a washed up military discard. He said that from being a small child, they knew that he was going to be great. I don't know what he did as a child, but he did say he was a "bomba" a codebreaker. His mind was capable of being about to break codes. He also seemed to have a photographic memory. His statements and the evidence that Washington D.C. took interest in him from his teenage years, there is a much greater picture to paint. It is the massive amount of data that paints him as being on the level of Einstein, but a military advisor directly to the President of the United States.
Another story he gave me was that he was in a Japanese prison in 1941. He was brutally tortured and from the words, he used, it seemed that they nearly castrated him. I recall seeing a scar on his right wrist and it was the symbol phi. That is the symbol for castration. There is a huge story behind this. I do have his 1942 draft registration card that states that he had a scar on his right wrist. So we have my testimony and verification that there was a scar there.
Do you recall where the archives were arguing that the torture description of a man should have been declassified, but they still did not declassify it? I think this is it.
There are a few statements he made about the assassination. One was where he described receiving the cable out of Australia with the information that there was a threat to assassinate JFK. The other statement was that it was the cable vault in the sub basement of the AT&T Long Lines building that killed JFK. He said it was not something someone in the country did. The best I have with regards to that comment is referencing the cables that Roscoe White received. Meaning, he did not blame Roscoe White for killing JFK, instead he blamed the person that sent those cables.
I have updated the google link. I made it easier to match the descriptions to the photos and made a couple of corrections as I continue to research. Most importantly I have shared three audio files. I am hesitant to share many of the files. You can hear a bit of his nervousness when I ask him about his meeting with LBJ in the White House. His nervousness is less and more at other times. He struggled to be able to tell me his story for fear of his own life for doing so.
While the previous episodes told a compelling narrative mostly backed up by facts, the last episode theorized the shooting mechanics with minimal supporting evidence.
Reiner was reaching and undermined the credibility the show had built.
He promised clear resolution and in the end gave us the usual unhelpful conspiracy drivel.
WHAT show? The endless presentation of reruns that stifles plot development? The onanistic awards extravaganzas dominated by celebrations of long-dead actors whose work, valuable and otherwise, is repackaged as game-changing revelation -- vomit-inducing declarations of the obvious with an air of discovery?
"Citizen Profane"?
I'm painfully reminded of defenders of jazz "fusion" who mindlessly argue that it brings new marketplace blood to a medium in desperate need of Geritol infusions.
Kenny "Sepsis" G thanks you. Lucky Thompson, Phil Woods, Jackie McLean, and their true peers fart in your general direction.
Nothing will change. The shock of the old marketed as the schlock of the new will continue to block what few efforts remain to define and effect justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
Listen closely, Reiner. "Meathead" can be more than just an endearment.
Perhaps if you survive to become part of a "2000 Year Old Man" revival ...
Nah. The physical remains of John Fitzgerald Kennedy rot in the dirt of your self-satisfaction.
Charles Nicoletti and his Usual Suspects Orchestra chortle from the stage of the Eternal No Ballsroom.
If Oswald was a subject in a CIA operation against FPFC, could he be aware even as a patsy then? If he was pretending to be for Castro and plotting with others to kill Castro with a Bioweapon as told by Judyth Baker wouldn't that operation be all secrecy and still withholding of CIA records? It would also explain his trip to Mexico which was not cheap travel with hotels, cabs food ect. on his 50 bucks a week unemployment. And he moved around a lot in N.O. working at a training base by the river found by Tannanbaum with the HSCA. The owner Of the garage where Lee hung out saw him passing envelopes twice with an FBI agent and the Garage owner took care of FBI cars. So the operation could have been to make him out to be for Castro when he was in on a CIA plot to kill Castro.
And If his handlers told him that JFK did not want Castro killed that would make Oswald angry for all the danger he was put through since 58 for a few bucks a week with no pats on the back so he might want to be the Patsy. He could have told them to fuck off. He did tell the FBI in a hand-delivered letter that if they questioned his wife again he would blow up the building. That note was destroyed under orders and must have been the Bad Guy Hoover.
This is the refrain I remind myself when attempting to understand the ramifications of a “false flag operation.” I believe every ounce of energy attempting to understand the mindset of LHO, is akin to searching for a compass which has flipped the directions that have been engrained for centuries! I believe the likelihood that LHO fired any shots from the TSBD is significantly less than fifty percent. We must look elsewhere. At the moment, the Sun rises in the East!
Well, after reading through much of the commentary in this thread, it seems to me that way too much importance is placed on who shot the rifles. Much, much more important is who hired the assassins. Who plotted the coup and who covered it up to this day?
The mechanics of the coup are insignificant next to the planning and the cover up. Rob and Soledad did one hell of a job in my humble opinion. 👏 👏
Rick, I agree with you on the importance of identifying the individual or individuals who planned and financed the hitmen. Charles Nicholetti was accompanied on the flight to Dallas by Johnny Roselli and E. Howard Hunt. Bill Harvey’s wife stated that her husband liked Johnny Roselli and they were known to socialize. Bill Harvey became an FBI Agent in 1940 (four years after the agency was established) but was dismissed in 1950 because his heavy alcohol consumption precluded him being able to meet Hoover’s requirement to report to work within a two hour notice. He then joined the CIA. He became the Head of Operation Mongoose, either ‘59 or ‘60, an Operation to eliminate Castro. However, when the Kennedy’s negotiated the end to the Cuban Missle Crisis they ended Operation Mongoose and Harvey was reassigned to Rome. I believe this establishes one leg of the stool.
Charles Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli were under mob boss Sam Giancana whose territory included Chicago, Las Vegas and Hollywood. Giancana spent a weekend at the Cal-Neva Lodge accompanied by Frank Sinatra, Marilyn Monroe and several others. This was the last weekend Marilyn Monroe was alive. JFK and RFK had been linked with Marilyn Monroe in 1962 and perhaps earlier. Giancana had a heavy influence on the entertainment sector which included Sinatra and Monroe. You can draw your own conclusions. I believe this establishes a second leg.
One could extend RFK’s pursuit of organized crime which yielded the deportation of Carlos Marcelo and the imprisonment of Teamster’s Boss Jimmy Hoffa as one or two additional legs to this stool. And then Kennedy’s desire to remove troops from Viet Nam.
Never mind the planned three part expose on LBJ’s corruption by Life magazine, which part two was printed and released 11/22/63. Like killed(?) part three.
Finally, JFK’s plan to allow the Federal Government’s mandatory retirement age to sunset on JEH. Perhaps a couple more legs?
Using your stool analogy, which is an excellent tool, I would suggest that Allen Dulles and James Angleton were sitting up on top of the stool, directing how the pieces fit and where they should go. Dulles said it best....plausible denial. It's all he needed, throughout his career.
I’m a novice when the conversation shifts to Dulles. Certainly appreciate clarification when ever possible. I can’t help but revert to Mad Magazine’s “Spy vs. Spy.” I’ve long held that the American Spies were in the white robes. That’s all changing!
If you have an interest in learning more about the two individuals who ran the CIA from its inception, there are a couple of books that come highly recommended. You probably already know that Dulles was in charge of the CIA and was fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. As an understatement, you could say they didn't part as friends. The CIA to Dulles was the same as the FBI was to Hoover. They both headed each agency from the beginning. Dulles was subsequently put in charge of the Warren Commission by LBJ soon after the assassination.
If this is of interest to you, here are a couple of phenomenal books on the subject. I'll start with Jefferson Morley's excellent book called , "The Ghost: The Secret Life of Spymaster James Jesus Angleton." Superb read. Also, if you haven't read Mark Lane, who I consider the Godfather of the Hall of Fame researchers and writers of the JFK assassination, his first book, "Rush to Judgement," is extremely insightful. It was the 1st book about the assassination in the mid-60's, that became a best seller and captivated the nation. Another book by Lane pretty much lays out a Perry Mason-like summary of how deeply the CIA was involved. It's called, "Plausible Denial." A must read for any serious JFK researcher.
You definitely will not be finding anyone wearing white robes!
I really liked their podcast series. As someone relatively new to this subject, I learned a bunch of things I didn’t already know and I’m glad that it is getting mainstream attention. My one critique would be the people they named as shooters in the last episode. While they did say it was an educated guess, they didn’t go into much detail on why it was an educated guess. I was left wanting a bit more other than these are enemies of Kennedy who may have been in the area. Does anyone have have more information on why these are reasonable names, other than Herminio Diaz telling a friend he was involved?
I just watched the 4-part series from Oliver Stone called JFK: Destiny Betrayed., and I highly recommend it. CIA knew and used Oswald and covered it up. A huge scandal they keep hiding because of the embarrassment it would cause. This is not about revealing sources and methods.
I am excited that it is getting so much attention. It shows that people are still interested all these years later. I was disappointed that they did not "name names" that they said they were. Rob also said he solved it, but then goes on to say there is no smoking gun.
I did learn from the podcast. I learned that Sol was in the window where Oswald was. Other than that it was still Roscoe White (Mandarin), CIA agent (Lebanon), Piatagorski (Sol) and then Rene Dussaq.
I know I have been here for a while. I was asked to put together a page showing information establishing my great uncle as a source. I did that. If more is needed, I am happy to share. He was the one that submitted to LBJ in the White House a report based on the highest levels of information available to the White House as to who shot JFK.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Mpuv5AHQIZ2HMuSvqEZoZkTYDs0I65xG?usp=drive_link
"I was disappointed that they did not "name names" that they said they were."
They did indeed name names beginning at 10:35.
The shooters were allegedly:
Herminio Diaz Garcia (killed 1966)
Jean Souetre (aka Michel Mertz and Michel Roux, French assassin)
Charles Nicoletti (hitman for Sam Giancana)
Jack Cannon (worked for Gen. Charles Willoughby)
The shooter locations were the TSBD and Dal-Tex buildings, behind the fence on the grassy knoll, and on the overpass by the south knoll.
They name Bill Harvey as the chief architect aided by Johnny Roselli and Gen. Charles Willoughby. They allege that David Attlee Phillips and James Jesus Angelton set up Oswald and that Allen Dulles had some awareness of the plan.
They claim that it was purely a domestic plot with no foreign involvement except for one Franch assassin. IIRC, your contention is that there was foreign involvement in the plot.
I respect that they named names, but they didn't do so in a respectable manner. The way they named names was akin to overhearing a conversation in a bar. All they had was that they had information suggesting these men were in town that day.
However, I don't have the real names behind Lebanon and Sol of the Roscoe White Story. I am hoping their new book on Roscoe White comes out soon.
Rene Dussaq calls out Harvey as the reason as to why he orchestrated the assassination.
What I do know is that my great uncle knew about the Rene Dussaq story near immediately after the assassination. I have realized that it was only from Rene's point of view, which may have been flawed. It then further explains how he obtained additional clarification when I believe it was Piatagorski (Sol) that he met in Stockholm in 1966. It would be impossible for my great uncle to have come up with the Roscoe White story before Ricky White found his dad's belongings in the attic of his home and went public with it.
Foreign involvement, doesn't exclude domestic. He did say that it was as clear as one and one and one that Curtis Lemay was trying to take over as number two, but he also said that it was only speculation. They didn't have the proof.
It was the cables sent to Roscoe that it seems to have come from a foreign source.
My ears did perk up when they mentioned Charles Willoughby. It was his book "Shanghai Conspiracy" that I believe mentions my great uncle. You may not recall. The Japanese translation of that same book published in 1952 had this specific section of the book removed. When I contacted the head of the Richard Sorge Society, Professor Kanto who had been studying the subject for forty years said he never noticed this discrepancy before, therefore never had a chance to research this new lead into the story he had been researching for 40 years. In 1952 the CIA would have had control over this publication in Japan and Jack Canon may have been involved on this as he ran the CIA office in Tokyo. I need to do more research to understand his office.
I believe Lebanon is highly likely a CIA agent that operated in the Pacific. Perhaps Lebanon was handled by Jack Canon.
The problem with Piatagorski (Sol) is that he worked for the British, the Russians and the Americans. Afterall, he was working for the US when my great uncle went to meet him in 1966. He doesn't match up with any of the names that were given above. But there is also almost no way to tell who he was working for that day. Right now what I have are hints that the money came from Cuba. Also, repeatedly stated, he was a Russian Polish man.
I can tell you that my great uncle also cursed Dulles' name.
It is interesting that your story seems to corroborate the Roscoe White story. A lot of researchers dismiss it.
Do you have Piatagorski's first name or a link to his story? I can't find anything about him. I assume you aren't referring to the famous cello player.
lol on the cello player.
Piatagorski was the only name that Robert Wilcox could find and he put that name in his book.
My great uncle left puzzle pieces behind and I am still unraveling some of them.
When my great uncle was arrested on the streets of Tokyo, he said there was a Polish man there that called him a bum. My great uncle regularly used dead words and was open about how he liked using dead words as toward the end of his life he studied them. Bum is a term for a Union soldier. So I believe that this Polish man called him an American Soldier in the street of Tokyo while he was being arrested by the Japanese police. Just as my great uncle places himself at the same location working with the same people as Rene Dussaq in 1941, I believe this Polish man is Piatagorski.
A couple of years ago, Moscow declassified their 1941 Tokyo files and there was an event in their files that sounds very much like what my great uncle described. The event was written about by journalists, but they refuse to respond and of course I don't have the means to research these declassified documents in Moscow.
There are other possible sources regarding this Polish man that I have not had the time or resources to explore as I have researched extensively what it means to be a Polish man in Tokyo in 1941.
So right now, I don't have his real name.
Regarding who I think Lebanon is, I do know where to look, but I don't have the time or resources to look.
I suppose once I publish my book, if people take it seriously then they will be able to look further into the story I am telling.
Lastly, just conversing about all of this with you continues to open up possibilities or avenues I need to explore. Piatagorski may have continued to be in Tokyo into 1952. If so, then he may have known Jack Cannon or I should say, he highly likely does know Jack Cannon. What I have found, it appears that Lebanon knew Piatagorski and likely met him in Ruby's bar.
I am seeing that Reiner's story certainly is hitting a lot on the right spots, but I was seriously disappointed in the supporting evidence behind the "names."
I have seen where researchers dismiss the Roscoe White story, but I also see where Ricky White was not a sophisticated man capable of presenting what he had. I think researchers really need to factor that in when dismissing him. Putting forward the idea that he fabricated the whole thing is irresponsible.
Ricky was an oil field worker in the early nineties. His mom Geneva, who died in 1990, was a former stripper at Ruby's club, and not well off. First Geneva, and then Ricky, appeared to want to make a lot of money from their story. I think that's what hurt their credibility the most. When the diary disappeared, allegedly stolen by an FBI agent, Geneva forged one and tried to pass it off as the original IIRC. That also hurt their credibility. Nonetheless, the story could still be true.
Also, my great uncle does appear to reflect the name Piatagorski as well. I don't know if that is his real name.
Unfortunately, Rob, Dick and Soledad were unable to put a nice bow on their 10 part podcast which I found very refreshing. However, Rob unapologetically stated it was a conspiracy plus had spoken with the pilot that ferried in to Dallas Johnny Roselli, Charles Nicoletti and E. Howard Hunt. One thing I wish had been covered, since St. John Hunt was referenced during one of the podcasts, was whether E. Howard Hunt had made a death bed confession to his son, St. John, that LBJ was the godfather of the assassination accompanied by Bill Harvey and J. Edgar Hoover. I believe Hoover got off light. His role in the investigation and funneling information to the Warren Commission was tantamount! Without a doubt, LBJ and JEH were the top two beneficiaries of JFK’s assassination. Are those two subjects still too delicate to touch?
Some people still think of LBJ as a great president because of the legislation he signed, particularly establishment liberal Democrats. Rob falls in that category. LBJ was a scumbag who likely would have ended up like Spiro Agnew, or worse. He likely had people murdered during his political career. His hit man was a guy named Malcolm "Mac" Wallace. His print was found in the "sniper's nest."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Wallace
So much evidence disappeared in the hands of the FBI, it's sickening. The FBI murdered people and tried to get MLK to kill himself, as you know. Despicable.
Yes, I think LBJ and Hoover are still revered for some reason in some circles.
Charles, I have thoroughly reviewed your collection of J. T. Stephen’s, Jr.’s memorabilia. It is obvious his expertise and proximity to White House communications from the 1940’s to the 1960’s. I believe you have extensive tape recordings made late in his life. Are there any specific quotes you can provide from those tapes that would enrich his interactions with President Kennedy near the time of the assassination? Thanks. This audience can be a bit brutal at times?!
I have committed to writing a book. I have hired a writer and signed a contract for the book to be completed by the end of this year.
Also, this audience has always been kind and responsive. I have to realize that the story I have is beyond belief. I have repeatedly review what I can see to see if I am delirious or hallucinating, but again and again, it shows itself to be true.
He was rare to actually cite a specific name of a president, but he did specifically say he met with LBJ and that he had a "special" relationship with LBJ.
Regarding JFK, he would make comments such as that he liked all the pretty girls he kept around the White House, but his comment was more of a "the president" kept pretty girls around the White House. Given that he specifically made statements of working in the White House at times such as the Cuban Missile Crisis, I myself inferred that some comments such as the "pretty girls" one to be related to JFK. He did mention that at times so long as the President wasn't with his family, he would join him for dinner. I can assure you that that was not LBJ, but I can say that he was fond of Eisenhower. So I do believe it was JFK that he was eating dinner with at times. He also mentioned that later presidents had so many advisors that they had no idea who he was.
Here is another example. He talked about the time his crew flew down to Texas as they were heading to a ranch that was owned by someone in the administration. He went into additional details about this trip, but at the time he was telling me this story, I simply had no idea what he was talking about. I had to research the JFK assassination to understand they were heading to the LBJ ranch. He did give other details that match up to the trip to Dallas.
So regarding recordings of his comments related to JFK, they are not exactly what one would expect and I didn't understand much of it when I was listening.
Here is another example, I asked him where he was when he learned about the JFK assassination. He started with, "This isn't going to be what you think it is." Then he detailed about how he was in his office in New York and he was working a secured cable that came from Australia and included in that cable communication was information about a ship of ours that sank. There is of course the cable that came over October 15, 1962 from Australia that included information about a threat to assassinate JFK and in that cable it included details about a ship that sunk. I late realized that he was at his mother's funeral when JFK was shot and it all became clear. But he was no longer alive so I couldn't ask for clarification.
Yes, I can share some audio. I want to select a careful one where you can here him make clear and direct statements with a beginning and end.
I don't recall if it is in the files, but he got a huge promotion just maybe two weeks before the assassination.
I have what appears to be evidence that he was instrumental in working with Eisenhower to bring about the Korean Armistice. I do believe he was influential to JFK's policies.
Perhaps I misinterpreted the tone of a couple vintage replies. Anyway, congratulations and Godspeed on the book!
I have updated the google link. I made it easier to match the descriptions to the photos and made a couple of corrections as I continue to research. Most importantly I have shared three audio files. I am hesitant to share many of the files. You can hear a bit of his nervousness when I ask him about his meeting with LBJ in the White House. His nervousness is less and more at other times. He struggled to be able to tell me his story for fear of his own life for doing so.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Mpuv5AHQIZ2HMuSvqEZoZkTYDs0I65xG?usp=share_link
Charles, thank you! His comment, “I didn’t like that way of doing business,” reflects the moral character of WWII Veterans. The ones I knew, primarily my uncles, they would just mutter, “well, we did what we had to,” in a voice that was tailing off. There was a lot more first-hand knowledge that he withheld, most likely for self-preservation. No smoking guns there, but increased respect for someone near ground-zero!!
Thank you.
Thanks for posting. I went through everything and it’s definitely interesting. Hard to connect any of it to the assassination, however.
You mentioned being happy to share more information. I can only speak for myself but I’d love to see whatever else you have. You mentioned the report he submitted to LBJ. Anything corroborating that? When he went to Mexico in Nov 1963 where did he go at that time? Acapulco?
He said he was in Mexico on a job that he was not getting paid for, but he was also vacationing. He said they were further on their way to a small area that was an island or piece of land that was only about three miles wide. That description matches Acapulco.
Do you recall on April 13, 2023 they released a file, a transmission from an operative in Mexico sent in on November 19, 1963? This lines up with his story as the transmission also states they are then going on to Acapulco without this agent, but it is also very peculiar in that this file was declassified on his mother's birthday and it references the date of his mother's death, of which his mother's funeral was then the exact minute JFK died. For me this is just beyond insane and it appears as if the people releasing the files are almost playing a joke.
I have contracted with a writer to complete a full book by the end of the year.
I struggle greatly with being able to release the additional information over this sort of format. The information is extremely vast. I have tens of thousands of photos and documents he left behind.
As I describe how much he left behind, his final living arrangement was a one room healthcare facility. He had one desk, a couple of shelves and half of a small shallow closet behind bifold doors. What he kept until his last day would appear to be nothing but trash to anyone else, but upon looking at it further, it unveils a very peculiar finding.
It is only the entirety of his story told all at once that conveys the entire story. One part of it being conveyed looks insane and of course I fear makes me look insane. It is as if I have to go all the way back to when he was born.
Take for example, it may have been 1935 or 1936 he was put on an airplane from Richmond Virginia and flown to Washington D.C. I have the photograph of the plane and the note on the back stating this. He explained that his mind was great or unique, but he also said he wasn't as smart as Einstein. He didn't quite make it. But he also said he was a washed up military discard. He said that from being a small child, they knew that he was going to be great. I don't know what he did as a child, but he did say he was a "bomba" a codebreaker. His mind was capable of being about to break codes. He also seemed to have a photographic memory. His statements and the evidence that Washington D.C. took interest in him from his teenage years, there is a much greater picture to paint. It is the massive amount of data that paints him as being on the level of Einstein, but a military advisor directly to the President of the United States.
Another story he gave me was that he was in a Japanese prison in 1941. He was brutally tortured and from the words, he used, it seemed that they nearly castrated him. I recall seeing a scar on his right wrist and it was the symbol phi. That is the symbol for castration. There is a huge story behind this. I do have his 1942 draft registration card that states that he had a scar on his right wrist. So we have my testimony and verification that there was a scar there.
Do you recall where the archives were arguing that the torture description of a man should have been declassified, but they still did not declassify it? I think this is it.
There are a few statements he made about the assassination. One was where he described receiving the cable out of Australia with the information that there was a threat to assassinate JFK. The other statement was that it was the cable vault in the sub basement of the AT&T Long Lines building that killed JFK. He said it was not something someone in the country did. The best I have with regards to that comment is referencing the cables that Roscoe White received. Meaning, he did not blame Roscoe White for killing JFK, instead he blamed the person that sent those cables.
I have updated the google link. I made it easier to match the descriptions to the photos and made a couple of corrections as I continue to research. Most importantly I have shared three audio files. I am hesitant to share many of the files. You can hear a bit of his nervousness when I ask him about his meeting with LBJ in the White House. His nervousness is less and more at other times. He struggled to be able to tell me his story for fear of his own life for doing so.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Mpuv5AHQIZ2HMuSvqEZoZkTYDs0I65xG?usp=share_link
I was very disappointed in the final episode.
While the previous episodes told a compelling narrative mostly backed up by facts, the last episode theorized the shooting mechanics with minimal supporting evidence.
Reiner was reaching and undermined the credibility the show had built.
He promised clear resolution and in the end gave us the usual unhelpful conspiracy drivel.
When others stopped investigating you kept going. Your bias has been earned and we are 5 million people are now asking questions. About damn time
"Showstopper"???
WHAT show? The endless presentation of reruns that stifles plot development? The onanistic awards extravaganzas dominated by celebrations of long-dead actors whose work, valuable and otherwise, is repackaged as game-changing revelation -- vomit-inducing declarations of the obvious with an air of discovery?
"Citizen Profane"?
I'm painfully reminded of defenders of jazz "fusion" who mindlessly argue that it brings new marketplace blood to a medium in desperate need of Geritol infusions.
Kenny "Sepsis" G thanks you. Lucky Thompson, Phil Woods, Jackie McLean, and their true peers fart in your general direction.
Nothing will change. The shock of the old marketed as the schlock of the new will continue to block what few efforts remain to define and effect justice for JFK and the untold millions collaterally damaged by his killers.
Listen closely, Reiner. "Meathead" can be more than just an endearment.
Perhaps if you survive to become part of a "2000 Year Old Man" revival ...
Nah. The physical remains of John Fitzgerald Kennedy rot in the dirt of your self-satisfaction.
Charles Nicoletti and his Usual Suspects Orchestra chortle from the stage of the Eternal No Ballsroom.
Shame on us.
What do you think of this and James Files story?
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKnicoletti.htm
Files is rotten-on-the-vine disinformation.
Yes, great. Time to make the suspects the face of the assassination.
If Oswald was a subject in a CIA operation against FPFC, could he be aware even as a patsy then? If he was pretending to be for Castro and plotting with others to kill Castro with a Bioweapon as told by Judyth Baker wouldn't that operation be all secrecy and still withholding of CIA records? It would also explain his trip to Mexico which was not cheap travel with hotels, cabs food ect. on his 50 bucks a week unemployment. And he moved around a lot in N.O. working at a training base by the river found by Tannanbaum with the HSCA. The owner Of the garage where Lee hung out saw him passing envelopes twice with an FBI agent and the Garage owner took care of FBI cars. So the operation could have been to make him out to be for Castro when he was in on a CIA plot to kill Castro.
And If his handlers told him that JFK did not want Castro killed that would make Oswald angry for all the danger he was put through since 58 for a few bucks a week with no pats on the back so he might want to be the Patsy. He could have told them to fuck off. He did tell the FBI in a hand-delivered letter that if they questioned his wife again he would blow up the building. That note was destroyed under orders and must have been the Bad Guy Hoover.
“The Sun Rises in the West”
This is the refrain I remind myself when attempting to understand the ramifications of a “false flag operation.” I believe every ounce of energy attempting to understand the mindset of LHO, is akin to searching for a compass which has flipped the directions that have been engrained for centuries! I believe the likelihood that LHO fired any shots from the TSBD is significantly less than fifty percent. We must look elsewhere. At the moment, the Sun rises in the East!
Well, after reading through much of the commentary in this thread, it seems to me that way too much importance is placed on who shot the rifles. Much, much more important is who hired the assassins. Who plotted the coup and who covered it up to this day?
The mechanics of the coup are insignificant next to the planning and the cover up. Rob and Soledad did one hell of a job in my humble opinion. 👏 👏
Rick, I agree with you on the importance of identifying the individual or individuals who planned and financed the hitmen. Charles Nicholetti was accompanied on the flight to Dallas by Johnny Roselli and E. Howard Hunt. Bill Harvey’s wife stated that her husband liked Johnny Roselli and they were known to socialize. Bill Harvey became an FBI Agent in 1940 (four years after the agency was established) but was dismissed in 1950 because his heavy alcohol consumption precluded him being able to meet Hoover’s requirement to report to work within a two hour notice. He then joined the CIA. He became the Head of Operation Mongoose, either ‘59 or ‘60, an Operation to eliminate Castro. However, when the Kennedy’s negotiated the end to the Cuban Missle Crisis they ended Operation Mongoose and Harvey was reassigned to Rome. I believe this establishes one leg of the stool.
Charles Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli were under mob boss Sam Giancana whose territory included Chicago, Las Vegas and Hollywood. Giancana spent a weekend at the Cal-Neva Lodge accompanied by Frank Sinatra, Marilyn Monroe and several others. This was the last weekend Marilyn Monroe was alive. JFK and RFK had been linked with Marilyn Monroe in 1962 and perhaps earlier. Giancana had a heavy influence on the entertainment sector which included Sinatra and Monroe. You can draw your own conclusions. I believe this establishes a second leg.
One could extend RFK’s pursuit of organized crime which yielded the deportation of Carlos Marcelo and the imprisonment of Teamster’s Boss Jimmy Hoffa as one or two additional legs to this stool. And then Kennedy’s desire to remove troops from Viet Nam.
Never mind the planned three part expose on LBJ’s corruption by Life magazine, which part two was printed and released 11/22/63. Like killed(?) part three.
Finally, JFK’s plan to allow the Federal Government’s mandatory retirement age to sunset on JEH. Perhaps a couple more legs?
Using your stool analogy, which is an excellent tool, I would suggest that Allen Dulles and James Angleton were sitting up on top of the stool, directing how the pieces fit and where they should go. Dulles said it best....plausible denial. It's all he needed, throughout his career.
I’m a novice when the conversation shifts to Dulles. Certainly appreciate clarification when ever possible. I can’t help but revert to Mad Magazine’s “Spy vs. Spy.” I’ve long held that the American Spies were in the white robes. That’s all changing!
If you have an interest in learning more about the two individuals who ran the CIA from its inception, there are a couple of books that come highly recommended. You probably already know that Dulles was in charge of the CIA and was fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. As an understatement, you could say they didn't part as friends. The CIA to Dulles was the same as the FBI was to Hoover. They both headed each agency from the beginning. Dulles was subsequently put in charge of the Warren Commission by LBJ soon after the assassination.
If this is of interest to you, here are a couple of phenomenal books on the subject. I'll start with Jefferson Morley's excellent book called , "The Ghost: The Secret Life of Spymaster James Jesus Angleton." Superb read. Also, if you haven't read Mark Lane, who I consider the Godfather of the Hall of Fame researchers and writers of the JFK assassination, his first book, "Rush to Judgement," is extremely insightful. It was the 1st book about the assassination in the mid-60's, that became a best seller and captivated the nation. Another book by Lane pretty much lays out a Perry Mason-like summary of how deeply the CIA was involved. It's called, "Plausible Denial." A must read for any serious JFK researcher.
You definitely will not be finding anyone wearing white robes!