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During the May 11, 2023 JFK Facts podcast, I mentioned JFK’s Oval Office Secretary’s [Evelyn Lincoln’s] hand-written list of JFK assassination suspects, composed by her on November 22, 1963 — during the return flight of Air Force One to Washington.

See below for her list, which was auctioned in 2010:

https://www.alexautographs.com/auction-lot/john-f.-kennedy-s-personal-secretary-lists-suspec_EAA1BDBE9E/

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Was it necessary to separate yourself from RFK jr by stating you disagree with his positions on vaccines? What on earth does that have to do with JFK?

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Great question—See my response in this thread.

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I absolutely agree with your comparisons.

In my opinion, when you separate yourself from someone in that fashion and specifically in this case it appears that the goal is to discredit the subject. Jefferson makes a living on this topic, however I don’t think there is anyone alive outside that family that has more motivation to set records straight about history. In this era calling someone an anti-vaxxer is akin to calling someone racist or antisemite and once that label is applied it shuts down debate.

And if it is not any of that an author of this magnitude knows what irrelevant information does to a subject.

Thank you

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Why release these a week after they happen rather than maybe a day or two? By the time they are up the topics are somewhat old at least in this admittedly psycho era of instant updates

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May 19, 2023·edited May 20, 2023

Interesting discussion. Not sure why there is so much focus on the adjective "overwhelming" - I am sure it was to RFK, Jr. on a personal basis; and given the fact that it's the CIA who is refusing to release it's JFK documents, that seems to bolster RFK, Jr.'s argument. Regarding Nixon's willingness to pay a million dollars to Hunt, it begs the question as to what did Nixon want to hide given that he was in charge of Bay of Pig's initial planning; it may be reaching, but he was also in Dallas on November 21 and the morning of the fateful day of November 22, 1963 -- curious what he knew about the assassination.

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My thoughts exactly about the word overwhelming.

I’m unaware of the million dollar payoff to Hunt. Was that in this podcast and I missed it? If not can you site the source for me? Much appreciated

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It's in the watergate tapes. Nixon said he could find the money. Do a search with key words and you will find the recording

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Great stuff fellas.

Jefferson's comments about about things nuclear are right on target.

He also might remember my ravings about, NUMEC and Zalmin Shapiro. So I will write this with due trepidation.

I've reviewed much of what has been written about Shapiro's record keeping and the lack of any disciplined record keeping. Activities that cost Shapiro a large amount of money because of his agreement with the USAEC for doing his business. Even Rickover was alarmed by this. Reviewing the few available records of investigations into Shapiro and NUMEC by FBI seem to reveal the FBI investigations being stymied by CIA and DOJ.

Jefferson's take that these are secrets the CIA are still very interested in keeping could be the biggest understatement I have knowledge of him making. The reason being is that what happened there was never sanctioned by any government entity. After reading Roger J. Mattsons, "Stealing The Atomic Bomb" I'm personally convinced the USAEC acted in tandem with the CIA in facilitating Zalmon Shapiro in providing highly enriched U-235, a highly restricted Special Nuclear Material to this day.

Something of a very serious nature does not make any sense about what happened at NUMEC and no explanations are available, other than John Hadden's finding of materials around the Israeli nuclear sites that seemed to originate from the USAEC complex of nuclear materials.

It is what it is and this story should not be allowed to die for the same reasons the JFK murder mystery should be solved.

Those who served at USAEC, FBI, CIA and especially NSA during this time, I believe, got involved in an operation that has led to a serious national security problem for this country.

Search, John Hadden CIA in Israel, John is widely considered the author of a memo for the record claiming he evidence of a diversion of Highly enriched U-235 from the US to Israel see the memo dated March 9, 1972. Now remember Nixon and Ford dissolving the USAEC in 1975. A government secret was withheld by this dissolution and USAEC worrisome history was withheld also.

Thanks Jefferson.

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May 25, 2023·edited May 25, 2023

In this thread, Michael raises a question I’d like to answer: because a leopard can’t change its spots. If JFK “official narrative dissidents” see funny business in one episode, here are some analogies to consider about the other:

- lone gunman theory = “natural origin” of the virus theory [neither fit the evidence]

- multiple gunmen = lab leak [to be suppressed by ALL means possible]

- Allan Dulles = Tony Fauci [powerful entrenched bureaucrats doing the bidding of even more powerful institutions. Capable of lying to investigators with smug condescension. Off-shoring gain of function research, anyone??]

- “conspiracy theorist” = “anti-vaxxer” [an ad hominin attack to shut down discussion of evidence, applied vigorously to people who actually research the matter]

- belief in “the magic bullet” = belief in “safe and narrative” [intense reinforcement makes counter evidence inconceivable esp for readers of the NYT.]

- suspicious deaths of witness = govt collusion with Big Tech to ban dissenting voices (inc those who use the govt’s own data) & the Trusted News Initiative

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founding

Great stuff fellas.

Jefferson's comments about about things nuclear are right on target.

He also might remember my ravings about, NUMEC and Zalmin Shapiro. So I will write this with due trepidation.

I've reviewed much of what has been written about Shapiro's record keeping and the lack of any disciplined record keeping. Activities that cost Shapiro a large amount of money because of his agreement with the USAEC for doing his business. Even Rickover was alarmed by this. Reviewing the few available records of investigations into Shapiro and NUMEC by FBI seem to reveal the FBI investigations being stymied by CIA and DOJ.

Jefferson's take that these are secrets the CIA are still very interested in keeping could be the biggest understatement I have knowledge of him making. The reason being is that what happened there was never sanctioned by any government entity. After reading Roger J. Mattsons, "Stealing The Atomic Bomb" I'm personally convinced the USAEC acted in tandem with the CIA in facilitating Zalmon Shapiro in providing highly enriched U-235, a highly restricted Special Nuclear Material to this day.

Something of a very serious nature does not make any sense about what happened at NUMEC and no explanations are available, other than John Hadden's finding of materials around the Israeli nuclear sites that seemed to originate from the USAEC complex of nuclear materials.

It is what it is and this story should not be allowed to die for the same reasons the JFK murder mystery should be solved.

Those who served at USAEC, FBI, CIA and especially NSA during this time, I believe, got involved in an operation that has led to a serious national security problem for this country.

Search, John Hadden CIA in Israel, John is widely considered the author of a memo for the record claiming he evidence of a diversion of Highly enriched U-235 from the US to Israel see the memo dated March 9, 1972. Now remember Nixon and Ford dissolving the USAEC in 1975. A government secret was withheld by this dissolution and USAEC worrisome history was withheld also.

Thanks Jefferson.

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founding

Great stuff fellas.

Jefferson's comments about about things nuclear are right on target.

He also might remember my ravings about, NUMEC and Zalmin Shapiro. So I will write this with due trepidation.

I've reviewed much of what has been written about Shapiro's record keeping and the lack of any disciplined record keeping. Activities that cost Shapiro a large amount of money because of his agreement with the USAEC for doing his business. Even Rickover was alarmed by this. Reviewing the few available records of investigations into Shapiro and NUMEC by FBI seem to reveal the FBI investigations being stymied by CIA and DOJ.

Jefferson's take that these are secrets the CIA are still very interested in keeping could be the biggest understatement I have knowledge of him making. The reason being is that what happened there was never sanctioned by any government entity. After reading Roger J. Mattsons, "Stealing The Atomic Bomb" I'm personally convinced the USAEC acted in tandem with the CIA in facilitating Zalmon Shapiro in providing highly enriched U-235, a highly restricted Special Nuclear Material to this day.

Something of a very serious nature does not make any sense about what happened at NUMEC and no explanations are available, other than John Hadden's finding of materials around the Israeli nuclear sites that seemed to originate from the USAEC complex of nuclear materials.

It is what it is and this story should not be allowed to die for the same reasons the JFK murder mystery should be solved.

Those who served at USAEC, FBI, CIA and especially NSA during this time, I believe, got involved in an operation that has led to a serious national security problem for this country.

Search, John Hadden CIA in Israel, John is widely considered the author of a memo for the record claiming he evidence of a diversion of Highly enriched U-235 from the US to Israel see the memo dated March 9, 1972. Now remember Nixon and Ford dissolving the USAEC in 1975. A government secret was withheld by this dissolution and USAEC worrisome history was withheld also.

Thanks Jefferson.

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founding

Great stuff fellas.

Jefferson's comments about about things nuclear are right on target.

He also might remember my ravings about, NUMEC and Zalmin Shapiro. So I will write this with due trepidation.

I've reviewed much of what has been written about Shapiro's record keeping and the lack of any disciplined record keeping. Activities that cost Shapiro a large amount of money because of his agreement with the USAEC for doing his business. Even Rickover was alarmed by this. Reviewing the few available records of investigations into Shapiro and NUMEC by FBI seem to reveal the FBI investigations being stymied by CIA and DOJ.

Jefferson's take that these are secrets the CIA are still very interested in keeping could be the biggest understatement I have knowledge of him making. The reason being is that what happened there was never sanctioned by any government entity. After reading Roger J. Mattsons, "Stealing The Atomic Bomb" I'm personally convinced the USAEC acted in tandem with the CIA in facilitating Zalmon Shapiro in providing highly enriched U-235, a highly restricted Special Nuclear Material to this day.

Something of a very serious nature does not make any sense about what happened at NUMEC and no explanations are available, other than John Hadden's finding of materials around the Israeli nuclear sites that seemed to originate from the USAEC complex of nuclear materials.

It is what it is and this story should not be allowed to die for the same reasons the JFK murder mystery should be solved.

Those who served at USAEC, FBI, CIA and especially NSA during this time, I believe, got involved in an operation that has led to a serious national security problem for this country.

Search, John Hadden CIA in Israel, John is widely considered the author of a memo for the record claiming he evidence of a diversion of Highly enriched U-235 from the US to Israel see the memo dated March 9, 1972. Now remember Nixon and Ford dissolving the USAEC in 1975. A government secret was withheld by this dissolution and USAEC worrisome history was withheld also.

Thanks Jefferson.

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founding

Great stuff fellas.

Jefferson's comments about about things nuclear are right on target.

He also might remember my ravings about, NUMEC and Zalmin Shapiro. So I will write this with due trepidation.

I've reviewed much of what has been written about Shapiro's record keeping and the lack of any disciplined record keeping. Activities that cost Shapiro a large amount of money because of his agreement with the USAEC for doing his business. Even Rickover was alarmed by this. Reviewing the few available records of investigations into Shapiro and NUMEC by FBI seem to reveal the FBI investigations being stymied by CIA and DOJ.

Jefferson's take that these are secrets the CIA are still very interested in keeping could be the biggest understatement I have knowledge of him making. The reason being is that what happened there was never sanctioned by any government entity. After reading Roger J. Mattsons, "Stealing The Atomic Bomb" I'm personally convinced the USAEC acted in tandem with the CIA in facilitating Zalmon Shapiro in providing highly enriched U-235, a highly restricted Special Nuclear Material to this day.

Something of a very serious nature does not make any sense about what happened at NUMEC and no explanations are available, other than John Hadden's finding of materials around the Israeli nuclear sites that seemed to originate from the USAEC complex of nuclear materials.

It is what it is and this story should not be allowed to die for the same reasons the JFK murder mystery should be solved.

Those who served at USAEC, FBI, CIA and especially NSA during this time, I believe, got involved in an operation that has led to a serious national security problem for this country.

Search, John Hadden CIA in Israel, John is widely considered the author of a memo for the record claiming he evidence of a diversion of Highly enriched U-235 from the US to Israel see the memo dated March 9, 1972. Now remember Nixon and Ford dissolving the USAEC in 1975. A government secret was withheld by this dissolution and USAEC worrisome history was withheld also.

Thanks Jefferson.

Expand full comment
founding

Great stuff fellas.

Jefferson's comments about about things nuclear are right on target.

He also might remember my ravings about, NUMEC and Zalmin Shapiro. So I will write this with due trepidation.

I've reviewed much of what has been written about Shapiro's record keeping and the lack of any disciplined record keeping. Activities that cost Shapiro a large amount of money because of his agreement with the USAEC for doing his business. Even Rickover was alarmed by this. Reviewing the few available records of investigations into Shapiro and NUMEC by FBI seem to reveal the FBI investigations being stymied by CIA and DOJ.

Jefferson's take that these are secrets the CIA are still very interested in keeping could be the biggest understatement I have knowledge of him making. The reason being is that what happened there was never sanctioned by any government entity. After reading Roger J. Mattsons, "Stealing The Atomic Bomb" I'm personally convinced the USAEC acted in tandem with the CIA in facilitating Zalmon Shapiro in providing highly enriched U-235, a highly restricted Special Nuclear Material to this day.

Something of a very serious nature does not make any sense about what happened at NUMEC and no explanations are available, other than John Hadden's finding of materials around the Israeli nuclear sites that seemed to originate from the USAEC complex of nuclear materials.

It is what it is and this story should not be allowed to die for the same reasons the JFK murder mystery should be solved.

Those who served at USAEC, FBI, CIA and especially NSA during this time, I believe, got involved in an operation that has led to a serious national security problem for this country.

Search, John Hadden CIA in Israel, John is widely considered the author of a memo for the record claiming he evidence of a diversion of Highly enriched U-235 from the US to Israel see the memo dated March 9, 1972. Now remember Nixon and Ford dissolving the USAEC in 1975. A government secret was withheld by this dissolution and USAEC worrisome history was withheld also.

Thanks Jefferson.

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